How beneficial is an aiming system?
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If you used CTE you could still be a Champion !!! :grin:
This thread should probably be in the aiming section which is filled with diehards on both sides speaking of how great or how useless. But I have used CTE that I learned from Stan Shuffett's first DVD..and it is a very good system (Stevie Moore and his son Landon use the Pro-One version of CTE and they are great players), I found it difficult for me to grasp Pro-One which is the advanced version (sighting visuals on cue and object ball and "pivoting" before getting down on the shot)...I've also taken lessons from Ron Vitello which he calls 90/90 which is a pivot based system as well where you move your entire lower body to center cueball which was very accurate on many shots and a valid system as well. And CJ Wiley's TOI happens to work extremely well after you get used to the correct strength of the stroke necessary to deflect the cueball a bit and then come back...when you are "in stroke" it definitely works.
Although most teachers (and some of the best ones) teach ghostball or contact point....basically if you have enough time to devote to a method of aiming...even the "hit a million balls" method you will improve.If you think you've peaked or are not improving and an aiming system will help you then getting the CTE DVD or the TOI DVD is probably the right way to go about it...and I disagree with an earlier poster, $30-$40 for 2 separate DVD's on 2 different aiming systems will yield you a pretty good ROI if you have the practice time.
REAL CTE is perfect for all dedicated players at any level.
Why, REAL CTE geometrically connects with the pockets.
Also Real CTE represents a professional approach, visually and physically, to playing the game.
Why not make the first systematic approach to playing the last one that will ever be needed.
Stan Shuffett
I personally would tell the OP to make sure your fundamentals are sound before you worry about running balls. Without sound fundamentals, you will get nowhere.
I was wondering when the "HAMB" aiming system zealots buzz word was going to get thrown in.
You do not need to hit 1369 balls a day for 2 years to learn how to aim, you do need to hit a lot of balls and get your cue action refined to a consistent accurate one so you still need to practice practice practice, aiming is the least of your worries.
You missed my point. CTE does not give a player the "REAL knowledge," as you call it, to know when to duck and when to make the low percentage kick into the stack.
The Visual game can come very quickly and correctly with CTE. With a strong visual game in place, the physical game can follow in a much more efficient manner.
Many players spin their wheels visually and physically for a lifetime. It does not have to be that way any longer.
Stan Shuffett
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I don't think the OP needs a spokesman..he started the thread about aiming systems. If you don't believe in them that's great...but there are Pro's that live by CTE like Moore, and CJ Wiley..an unbelievable player believes in his system and they both use them WELL...and no offense but you probably don't have 1 in 100 chance of hanging with either of them on a Pool Table at any game at any time. I would rather take advice on aiming and shotmaking from a Pro then listen to an amateur say "aiming is the least of your worries" when he's obviously concerned about aiming. Sort of a no brainer.
I don't think the OP needs a spokesman..he started the thread about aiming systems. If you don't believe in them that's great...but there are Pro's that live by CTE like Moore, and CJ Wiley..an unbelievable player believes in his system and they both use them WELL...and no offense but you probably don't have 1 in 100 chance of hanging with either of them on a Pool Table at any game at any time. I would rather take advice on aiming and shotmaking from a Pro then listen to an amateur say "aiming is the least of your worries" when he's obviously concerned about aiming. Sort of a no brainer.
Oh goody! An aiming thread in the main Forum
Just to save everyone the trouble, (and since Stan is banging away as hard and fast as he can on the CTE bell before this thread gets sent to the Twilight Zone) here is what those two guys said:
John Schmidt: Well, don’t get me started on aiming systems. I’ll tell you if...
Maybe they work... but nobody’s telling me the one’s that work. Because if they work, first of all you’re not factoring in swerve and deflection. OK, now what if a guy comes up with a delivery system, that’s different. But, aiming’s adorable -- but you still have to deliver -- so you could aim perfect. If those aiming systems worked, well there would just be like four million people who played like Corey. But it’s year after year and it’s still Corey.
So these aiming systems are overrated, they’re a way to sell videos and books and make people pontificate about their own greatness and believe me if it worked, then they’d be out there winning tournaments, but they’re not.
What Stevie Moore doesn’t get is -- Stevie Moore -- you could put a bag over his head and he’d run out. He’s a great player. So he’s playing great in spite of his aiming system, not because of it. I mean, think about it: he’s already a great player. He could aim at the wall and he’s still going to make the ball. And it’s a way to give him comfort and confidence. He’s kind of like tricked himself into thinking ‘this aiming system works.’
(John sets up to demonstrate a shot.) I just can’t see how I’m going to use english here and I’m going to aim bottom right english. So I’m aiming out here -- it’s going to squirt. Well, what aiming system is going to work for that?! It’s only going to work with center ball. And you know, all these guys with their aiming systems can get like weight from me. And I don’t use an aiming system.
Corey Duel: Yeah the one that he’s talking about I haven’t been able to comprehend it yet. It’s something about pivoting the back foot and... I don’t know.
John Schmidt: My piece of advice, if anybody cares to the viewers at home: forget all the aiming systems. Just like when you throw a baseball to first, you just do it. Right? There’s no aiming, you do it, you feel it. It’s same with pool. You get a mental picture and you do it. Aiming systems are the most ridiculous, overrated thing...The pros scoff at that stuff, they’re like, ‘aiming systems, really?!’...
If they would quit spending so much time on line and learning about aiming systems and go hit more balls they’d become better players. There’s no short cut to it. Sitting on AZ Billiards looking for aiming systems isn’t going to get it. It’s like the golf swing guys. They got a thousand videos. But the guy that goes to the driving range till his hands bleed, that’s the good golfer. You can’t watch it online and go, ‘oh, there’s got to be a system for hitting a four iron two hundred yards on the green.’ It’s the same with pool. We’ve hit a million pool balls -- that’s our system. I mean, you’re not going to get good at anything using a system.
I could be wrong, I don’t know if I’m right. I just think aiming systems are crazy. Deflection and swerve is what makes this game so tough. If there was no such thing as that, you know you just hit whatever english, but this thing goes sideways off of your stick. That’s why the game’s so impossible.
Ya''ll have a nice day.
Lou Figueroa
I know there is cte because people talk about it.
I do not know anything at all about it.
I am sure it works fine for those who use it.
question for Stan:
does a person need to pivot? A person said something about a pivot a few posts back.
My understanding of pivot is: after aiming shifting your body or stick a little
bit left or right.
thx
steven
I do not know anything at all about it.
I am sure it works fine for those who use it.
question for Stan:
does a person need to pivot? A person said something about a pivot a few posts back.
My understanding of pivot is: after aiming shifting your body or stick a little
bit left or right.
thx
steven
No, he asked how to improve.
You don't know shit about me.
I prefer to take my advice from real pro's they are the top 100 snooker players.
If your buddies ever care to step up on the 6x12 let me know.
TheThaiger
Banned
The rise of the aiming system mirrors the decline of pool in America.
Discuss.
Discuss.
TheThaiger
Banned
This type of thing has no place in cue sports.
I'm not interested in knowing shit about you...and forget about your little Canadian buddies, I wanna step up and play YOU 14.1 anytime you want for any amount you want. I don't need to know shit about you...I just know I can rob you blind.
A sweep to the CB is a natural evolution that occurs among most all professionals including snooker players.
It is no longer necessary to teach the straight-in movement to a mystery shot line.
The pivoting or sweeping that occurs with the top players is a result of years of play.
Now anyone can objectively learn the offsets and how to connect with the pockets.
Why some want to stop it is baffling to me.
Stan Shuffett
Thanks everyone for your replies. Especially Dr. Dave for the unbiased informative post. I am, and always will be trying to perfect my stroke, speed, and consistency. As far as an actual system for aiming I'll probably look into the concept of CTE and figure out why it works from a geometry standpoint and then take a look at how I'm already aiming. I have a feeling its similar as it is, i just don't think about what I'm doing. Thanks again for the replies.
Banks
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Could you direct us to the post that shows the science that backs up the system?