How big of a "pool sin" did I commit???

It’s pretty simple to me:

I follow etiquettes/unwritten rules when the other guy does. If he doesn’t, and he pisses me off with his bull, I don’t feel obligated to be polite or follow any etiquette.

Since I’ve figured that out, I don’t get upset over Pool anymore...I think.
 
I remember one time I was playing a local bar tournament for the first time. I was playing for 3rd place vs a 700+ player. Races to 2 and 1 eight ball. He breaks dry and I am running out. Pocket for the 8 ball was partially blocked by a stripe. I called the pocket. Hit the 8 into the rail and made it off the back of his ball. He starts yelling about how it is call shot and not call pocket. Granted that was the only way I could make the eight. I asked the tournament director and they confirmed he was correct. My bad. Just shrugged my shoulders and said if you need to pull that to win, good luck to you. No need to get bent out of shape for a small amount of money.
 
Was playing in an 8-ball tournament at Kappy's in Slidell for the first time
several months ago. My opponent got to the 8 and it was close to the rail
and a long thin cut. He missed the 8 but the cue ball ran back up table
and scratched. I thought I had won the game but NO, just a foul, BIH
for me but no loss. That was a new one on me. I've ALWAYS played
scratch on the 8 is loss of game. I was told had he made the 8 and
scratched it would have been a loss (of course) but since he didn't make
the 8 it was just a foul.
 
lowgear said:
Was playing in an 8-ball tournament at Kappy's in Slidell for the first time
several months ago. My opponent got to the 8 and it was close to the rail
and a long thin cut. He missed the 8 but the cue ball ran back up table
and scratched. I thought I had won the game but NO, just a foul, BIH
for me but no loss. That was a new one on me. I've ALWAYS played
scratch on the 8 is loss of game. I was told had he made the 8 and
scratched it would have been a loss (of course) but since he didn't make
the 8 it was just a foul.
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That is part of some standardized rule-set. Not sure which one. I never did play much 8 ball but that rule is out there far and wide for quite a few years now..
 
Nostroke said:
That is part of some standardized rule-set. Not sure which one. I never did play much 8 ball but that rule is out there far and wide for quite a few years now..
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Yup, I bet almost all 8-ball rules would say that’s not loss of game.
 
Well damn...I did not know that was a "standardized" 8-ball rule.
I hadn't played much 8-ball either until I moved back home where there
is no pool hall and started playing in the this little 8-ball tourney at the
local watering hole.

I lived on the Ms. Coast for 20 years and mostly played 9-ball at the old
Billiard Club in Ocean Springs and then Skeeters in Gulfport after Bob
closed the Billiard Club.
 
chefjeff said:
Yet is fails miserably.

Sounds like politics...it's for the children....lol.


Jeff Livingston
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haha Jeff, you are a funny man! Seen your comments here and in the one pocket thread! Keep it going although your prob waiting to take a shot!

As far as this feeling guilty, you should but any tournament that doesnt allow safety isnt really a tournament.
 
lowgear said:
Well damn...I did not know that was a "standardized" 8-ball rule.
I hadn't played much 8-ball either until I moved back home where there
is no pool hall and started playing in the this little 8-ball tourney at the
local watering hole.

I lived on the Ms. Coast for 20 years and mostly played 9-ball at the old
Billiard Club in Ocean Springs and then Skeeters in Gulfport after Bob
closed the Billiard Club.
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Download those rules and share them with the TD. I'd bet he hasn't figured out that after hundreds of years of cue sports, they've just about figured out what works to maintain order.

Someone here has the link...I'm sorry, I don't. Maybe on the front page?



Jeff Livingston
 
eazyace said:
haha Jeff, you are a funny man! Seen your comments here and in the one pocket thread! Keep it going although your prob waiting to take a shot!

As far as this feeling guilty, you should but any tournament that doesnt allow safety isnt really a tournament.
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It is a real tournament as far as I am concerned. They just have a different player pool. I would guess that the majority of players play very casually while having a few drinks. The type of people who quit coming if a very good player stomps on them every week. Top players would usually think a $5 entry tournament is just a waste of time. No safeties levels the playing field a bit especially in very short races.

Making someone call a pocket on routine shots is more for casual players as well. Most people who have played for a length of time know if a ball was pocketed where intended or a fluke.
 
coin op rule

lowgear said:
Was playing in an 8-ball tournament at Kappy's in Slidell for the first time
several months ago. My opponent got to the 8 and it was close to the rail
and a long thin cut. He missed the 8 but the cue ball ran back up table
and scratched. I thought I had won the game but NO, just a foul, BIH
for me but no loss. That was a new one on me. I've ALWAYS played
scratch on the 8 is loss of game. I was told had he made the 8 and
scratched it would have been a loss (of course) but since he didn't make
the 8 it was just a foul.
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When they don't want a scratch on the eightball to be a loss they play like this on coin op tables sometimes.

If somebody scratches and the eight is on the table, all is well it can be a ball in hand foul. However, if the eight was pocketed it is going to cost some quarters to get it back on a coin op. Now it makes sense that it has to be a win or a loss. From scratching on the eight traditionally being a loss on a bar box it makes sense to make it a loss.

My opinion, if you play that scratching on the eight ball and pocketing it is a loss, then scratching without pocketing should be a loss too. However, there is the "when in rome" rule. Traveling a bit I have ran into all kinds of interesting rules. Easiest to just roll with them as long as they are applied equally.
 
Like the diapers . . .

lowgear said:
Local Friday night 8-ball tournament. $10 entry and small $ calcutta.

...

Anyway, it gets down to the last 3 for my cousin. I'm sitting right next to the
table, Tyrone is 10 feet away at the corner of the bar. My cousin sinks the
last two and gets straight in on the 8. He's a foot away from the 8 which is
a foot away from the corner pocket. He gets over it to shoot and I holler at
him "call the pocket". My cousin points at the hole and makes the ball.
Tyrone comes over and bows up at me and raises holy hell. He did wait
briefly until my cousin MADE the shot.

I DID feel very guilty. I know better and have never done anything like this
before. But I KNEW that Tyrone was the ONE guy in the tournament who
would have called him on it and told him he lost the game. And I told him so.
It was a heated moment and a lot of trash was talked. Him talking "rules"
and that a "no call" would have been a loss. Me telling him he would be
the only person in the tournament chickenshit enough to call it on someone
on such an obvious shot and he'd be the only one to want to win that way.

...

I KNOW I was in the wrong....but HOW wrong was I ????
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If it was a national event, drawing and quartering wouldn't be over the top as punishment. If it was a big money match, running for your life while Tyrone empties a nine at you would be reasonable and appropriate.

This little tournament, you should be slapped on the end of your fingers very very gently while being told what you did was a no-no. Then everyone in the place should take turns buying you a beer because of just the possibility they might be free of Tyrone and his antics for a few weeks.

Hu
 
nine_ball6970 said:
It is a real tournament as far as I am concerned. They just have a different player pool. I would guess that the majority of players play very casually while having a few drinks. The type of people who quit coming if a very good player stomps on them every week. Top players would usually think a $5 entry tournament is just a waste of time. No safeties levels the playing field a bit especially in very short races.

Making someone call a pocket on routine shots is more for casual players as well. Most people who have played for a length of time know if a ball was pocketed where intended or a fluke.
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nail....head.

It's just fun night out in this boring little town of 10,000 folks.
Friday nights they have the tourney, and karaoke, and some of the
ladies bring covered dishes to munch on.


The tourney I played at Kappy's in Slidell, La. is a $10 entry as well but the
calcutta gets rather large. I looked around and recognized, Mike Massey,
Lil D McKenna, and Jason "Buffalo" Hunt and knew I had no chance of winning
but I personally enjoy playing against a better caliber of players.
 
Sooo, your emotions got the best of you and you screwed the pooch.

Now you are curious as to how total strangers view your degree of wrongness?

OK, I'll play.

Call me a Boyscout but I don't see degrees of wrongful actions. It's either wrong, or it is right. You either crossed the line or you didn't. It's a slippery slope to claim you just barely crossed it.

You messed up but dang man, we're just human. It's what we do.

Fortunately for you and your cousin, no pool tournament that I know of has ever created a spectator participation penalty and forced the players to replay the game if some numbnuts on the rail starts yelling.

I mean, you <could> give the man some jelly, like 1/2 the difference between 1st and 3rd, but frankly that could establish a precedent that none of us would enjoy.....strategic yelling....

-von

-von
 
I encountered a guy much like the op's Tyrone one.night in apa league.

He is a 6 and was playing my 6 in 8 ball. It got to hill-hill and my guy was on the 8. The 8 was about 6-8 inches from the corner pocket and a straight in shot. The other guy turns his back on my guy when he lines up the shot and points at the pocket. My guy looks up and sees his opponent has his back to him....now mind you this was the first time during the whole match this guy had his back to the table. My guy points again and shoots the 8 in .

Upon hearing the ball drop his opponent turns around and says you lost....you did not mark the pocket. Now mind you I am a pretty laid back guy and has let more shit slide than any captain ought to just in the name of avoiding drama but this was just too much.

I jumped up and said....wtf do you mean he did not mark the pocket ? aint neither one of you marked the pocket the whole damn match.!. The other captain pipes up and says....thats the rule. I replied I know damn well its the rule but that's a bs move by your player. Well we had a few more words but i told him to take the win if he wanted it bad enough to resort to that crap.

Well things died down and we continued on and then at the start of the 4th match their captain says to me. I need to have a couple players replay the last 8 and 9 ball match ...we only have 4 players tonight.

I sat there dumbfounded he would say such a thing after the shit they pulled earlier. Like I said ...i am.pretty easy going and had never made any one forfeit before and even let them choose who they want to replay as long as its within the handicap limit.

Well come the 5th match he says he is throwing the same 6 again who pulled that crap about nit marking the pocket earlier. I said hold on a minute....you aint replaying. He said...who is ? I said nobody...ya' ll forfeiting the last 8 and 9 ball matches both.

Well all hell broke loose then. They started whining and crying and asking why I am making them forfeit those 2 matches. I said...do ya'll really gotta ask that question ? A couple of them said...i thought we were all friends. I replied I thought so too but apparently we are not. One went and got the division rep and the captain got on the phone t the league operator but it did not do them any good.

I told them ...ya'll wanna win throwin the rule book at me ? Well I can damn well throw it right back at ya and that bs call cost you 2 forfeits.
 
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The most mind-boggling thing is that the most ridiculous rules that I’ve ever heard of is in the same sentence as a Calcutta.


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good move!

lorider said:
I encountered a guy much like the op's Tyrone one.night in apa league.

He is a 6 and was playing my 6 in 8 ball. It got to hill-hill and my guy was on the 8. The 8 was about 6-8 inches from the corner pocket and a straight in shot. The other guy turns his back on my guy when he lines up the shot and points at the pocket. My guy looks up and sees his opponent has his back to him....now mind you this was the first time during the whole match this guy had his back to the table. My guy points again and shoots the 8 in .

Upon hearing the ball drop his opponent turns around and says you lost....you did not mark the pocket. Now mind you I am a pretty laid back guy and has let more shit slide than any captain ought to just in the name of avoiding drama but this was just too much.

I jumped up and said....wtf do you mean he did not mark the pocket ? aint neither one of you marked the pocket the whole damn match.!. The other captain pipes up and says....thats the rule. I replied I know damn well its the rule but that's a bs move by your player. Well we had a few more words but i told him to take the win if he wanted it bad enough to resort to that crap.

Well things died down and we continued on and then at the start of the 4th match their captain says to me. I need to have a couple players replay the last 8 and 9 ball match ...we only have 4 players tonight.

I sat there dumbfounded he would say such a thing after the shit they pulled earlier. Like I said ...i am.pretty easy going and had never made any one forfeit before and even let them choose who they want to replay as long as its within the handicap limit.

Well come the 5th match he says he is throwing the same 6 again who pulled that crap about nit marking the pocket earlier. I said hold on a minute....you aint replaying. He said...who is ? I said nobody...ya' ll forfeiting the last 8 and 9 ball matches both.

Well all hell broke loose then. They started whining and crying and asking why I am making them forfeit those 2 matches. I said...do ya'll really gotta ask that question ? A couple of them said...i thought we were all friends. I replied I thought so too but apparently we are not. One went and got the division rep and the captain got on the phone t the league operator but it did not do them any good.

I told them ...ya'll wanna win throwin the rule book at me ? Well I can damn well throw it right back at ya and that bs call cost you 2 forfeits.
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Seems reasonable to me. I have always met the other guy halfway or a bit more, good or bad! When they want to pull moves, do the same! I do hope you smiled nicely while explaining you would really like to let them play the ineligible players but rules are rules. :grin:

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
Seems reasonable to me. I have always met the other guy halfway or a bit more, good or bad! When they want to pull moves, do the same! I do hope you smiled nicely while explaining you would really like to let them play the ineligible players but rules are rules. :grin:

Hu
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The rule states if you are shorthanded you can ask for a replay in order ti avoid a forfeit. The opposing captain can elect..or not whether to allow you to have a replay and he is the one who chooses your player to play twice...as long as it does not make you go over handicap.


Its pretty much a given that you will be allowed a replay. That's just the way most captains around here are. There are 2 or 3 that will absolutely not allow a replay because they are the type to get an easy win for the team any WA they can.

A week or so after this incident I was sitting and talking with the lo. Of course the above incident came up in our conversation and I told him why I would not allow them a replay.

He started laughing and said they did not tell him about the bs call when they called him complaining about not being allowed a replay. he said he figure they must have dine something to piss me off because he knew i was not the type to deny replays to anyone.
 
I have 2 thoughts about the original post

1)yeah you made a mistake. It’s not the end of the world if it was obvious shot. My tournaments I run and just about any tournament I’m in around here is gentlemen rules so it wouldn’t be that big of a deal.

2)If at one of my tournaments someone in the finals would have called foul when someone made an obvious shot and it wasn’t called I would quickly end it by handing the player who called the foul his 2nd place money and telling him if that’s the way he plays the game don’t show up for my next tournament..your not welcome.
 
Wow, I'd like to play in your tournament, Trob. I can't believe all the crap rules and crap moves around. I always try to behave like a gentleman and no, I would never accept a win for not calling an obvious shot by my opponent. A no-safety tournament is ridiculous. And even if someone told my opponent to call his last pocket/shot I would just laugh and ask him if he really thought that was necessary in any way (because I would accept the outcome anyway).

The story with the marker being on the diamond really is the worst I heard so far. Gosh, this might get me to quit pool because I would not want to be associated with people pulling such stuff.

Now, if someone pulled such dirty tricks on me I would try to pull the dirtiest tricks I could even think of on him. This once only and until the game is over. After that, I'd never play him again. Or I'd unscrew right away, depending on mood and situation.

Associate with a**holes and you might eventually become one yourself. Not for me.
 
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