How difficult is it to level a Diamond Pro Am 7ft?

WillyCornbread

Break and One
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Hi -

How difficult is it for someone who is fairly mechanically inclined to level a 6 month old 3 piece slate 7' Pro Am? My table was installed in July, and I was told to give it time to settle and that it would be natural to need to be re-leveled after a few months.

It's rolling off pretty bad right now and I'd like to fix it myself because I'm having trouble getting a hold of the original installer to do it.

If i am willing to invest in the proper level, what do you think?

Thanks for your time,

b
 

ROB.M

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From my experience with newly installed diamonds is the table will need to be mostly leveled at the legs with a 3/4 open end wrench.

They are simple to level....That's the way they were designed anyway'



I think there will be DVD or download information in future from the manufacture on these DIY type of tasks for the diamond tables.

Starrett 98 model is level suggested.




Rob.M
 

WillyCornbread

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Thanks, the installer told me not to mess with the leg levelers until he was able to come back and redo the point leveling due to the table settling into place...

For the Starrett, would you recommend an 8" or 12". I seem to remember my guy leveling it diagonal by the corner pockets but can't remember the size of the level.

Wonder if anyone else has any tips as well?

b
 

realkingcobra

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Thanks, the installer told me not to mess with the leg levelers until he was able to come back and redo the point leveling due to the table settling into place...

For the Starrett, would you recommend an 8" or 12". I seem to remember my guy leveling it diagonal by the corner pockets but can't remember the size of the level.

Wonder if anyone else has any tips as well?

b

Who was the installer, someone from Diamond? Or a guy by the name of Jay?
 

WillyCornbread

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RKC, hi...

Shouldn't matter who it was, I'm happy with the install and I have a suspicion that me not being able to schedule a follow up may be out of their control right now.

To the original question, would an 8" Starrett be sufficient, or is the 12" necessary?

Any tips or help on how to level it - should I attempt to do it via the leg levelers only at first? If necessary can a layman adjust the point leveling for the slates without worry or do I need to call Diamond and try to find another mechanic to do that for me?

Thanks for any help you can provide,

b
 

realkingcobra

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RKC, hi...

Shouldn't matter who it was, I'm happy with the install and I have a suspicion that me not being able to schedule a follow up may be out of their control right now.

To the original question, would an 8" Starrett be sufficient, or is the 12" necessary?

Any tips or help on how to level it - should I attempt to do it via the leg levelers only at first? If necessary can a layman adjust the point leveling for the slates without worry or do I need to call Diamond and try to find another mechanic to do that for me?

Thanks for any help you can provide,

b

Now you're getting the picture...LOL yes, the 8" starret works perfectly fine, only size I use. Place the level going side to side in line with the first diamond out from the corner pocket, 2" from the cushion. Look at the reading of the level in the 4 locations I'm talking about, one of them locations is going to read low. The only thing you want to try and correct is the side to side level, so that all 4 locations read the same from side to side. Don't matter what the fine level reading is, as long as it's the same on both sides of the table, at both ends. Adjust the top nut on the legs with a 3/4" open end wrench, watch which way the bubble in the level moves as you adjust. Do both ends back and forth until the level readings no longer change. Once you've performed that task, then place your level at the center Diamond 2" out from the cushion reading the length of the table, take a reading at both ends. If one end is low, then adjust side to side level to correct the low end...until both ends read the same. Then....tighten the rail bolts to 15 ft lbs, because I guarantee you they're loose by now, do it before you start wondering why your cushions play dead....because the rails have come loose:thumbup:
 

WillyCornbread

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RKC - Thank you so much for the write up. I purchased a long carpenters level and an 8" Starrett a moment ago.

I'm reading through your instructions and want to check my understanding, can you read my recap and clarify if needed?

1) Place the level at the position noted in the diagram I added to this post, check the level and adjust by RAISING to make sure EACH END corners are the same reading. (not all four, just each matching end)

When you say "Don't matter what the fine level reading is, as long as it's the same on both sides of the table, at both ends." Do you mean that all four should be the same, or just the 2 corners at each end should match and don't worry about the length at this point?

2) Place the level at the position noted in the diagram for each end of the table, and RAISE the lower side to level by adjusting BOTH leg levelers on the unlevel, lower end

I really appreciate your time and expertise, thanks for the tip about properly torquing the rail bolts as well :)

b

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realkingcobra

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Yes, the reading from side to side must read the same across each end, but may not read the exact same at both ends, just make sure each end, both sides a re the same. And yes, adjust both legs to raise one end for end to end level, but adjust them equally....as you already know. Your placement of the levels is correct.
 

realkingcobra

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Don't worry about the wedge leveling system, the table needs to acclimate to the environment it's in for at least 6-9 months so the wood has balanced out with its moisture content and is no longer changing.
 

boogieman

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Now you're getting the picture...LOL yes, the 8" starret works perfectly fine, only size I use. Place the level going side to side in line with the first diamond out from the corner pocket, 2" from the cushion. Look at the reading of the level in the 4 locations I'm talking about, one of them locations is going to read low. The only thing you want to try and correct is the side to side level, so that all 4 locations read the same from side to side. Don't matter what the fine level reading is, as long as it's the same on both sides of the table, at both ends. Adjust the top nut on the legs with a 3/4" open end wrench, watch which way the bubble in the level moves as you adjust. Do both ends back and forth until the level readings no longer change. Once you've performed that task, then place your level at the center Diamond 2" out from the cushion reading the length of the table, take a reading at both ends. If one end is low, then adjust side to side level to correct the low end...until both ends read the same. Then....tighten the rail bolts to 15 ft lbs, because I guarantee you they're loose by now, do it before you start wondering why your cushions play dead....because the rails have come loose:thumbup:
I’m working on my 7’ Diamond with 3 piece slate. I’m at the leveling stage. I’m having issues with the slate at the foot spot, across the short rail near the logo.

When I place the level on the left side the level (starrette 12”) reads 2 lines low towards the cushion. Now when I place the level on the right side it reads 2 lines low toward the right cushion.

For whatever reason I can’t seem to get them to match on each side. I suspect the slate is slightly crowned. Across the middle it reads level.

Do you have any advice on this? I’m not very knowledgeable but I am assuming this means the rough level is ok now?

Does you think the crowning will flatten out once the outer 2 levelers are adjusted up a bit?
 

realkingcobra

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I’m working on my 7’ Diamond with 3 piece slate. I’m at the leveling stage. I’m having issues with the slate at the foot spot, across the short rail near the logo.

When I place the level on the left side the level (starrette 12”) reads 2 lines low towards the cushion. Now when I place the level on the right side it reads 2 lines low toward the right cushion.

For whatever reason I can’t seem to get them to match on each side. I suspect the slate is slightly crowned. Across the middle it reads level.

Do you have any advice on this? I’m not very knowledgeable but I am assuming this means the rough level is ok now?

Does you think the crowning will flatten out once the outer 2 levelers are adjusted up a bit?
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