How do the PROS aim?

cjssecrets4u2 said:
I agree that at some point all the aiming needs to be done unconsciously....and at the end of the day (and many discussions) aiming a pool shot is most similar to aiming a RIFLE....I believe after reading all of your points and questions in this forum that the main question should be NOT how we pros aim, but, instead, what are our "SIGHTS" and "How do we {consistently} line our Body & Eyes from the Cue Ball to the Object Ball"?....when you start to understand the answers to THESE questions you will be very close to doing it yourself....until then, you're going to be free to ponder 40 different "aiming systems".....and trying to understand if they "work" or don't "work"....in the mean time ask yourself this question: "How much more effective is my ball pocketing ability?" .....and "What are my 'sights' that I'm currently using?"

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I hope this doesn't bring out the Hatfields and McCoys...

Gene Albrecht is too shy to blow his own horn here, so I'll take it upon myself to mention the Perfect Aim stuff he teaches (which I know very little about). Are you familiar with it? Are there similarities?

pj
chgo
 
The Master Eye in Pool

Patrick Johnson said:
I hope this doesn't bring out the Hatfields and McCoys...

Gene Albrecht is too shy to blow his own horn here, so I'll take it upon myself to mention the Perfect Aim stuff he teaches (which I know very little about). Are you familiar with it? Are there similarities?

pj
chgo
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I just saw Gene at the Texas State Championships and I believe he does help people with their alignment, especially their head/dominant eye position from what I'm told....I want to "compare notes" with him at some point, and we just haven't had the time or timing to do that yet....My techniques come from a mixture of martial arts, archery, target shooting, golf AND pool....as far as the "Master Eye" is concerned I never have isolated it, but try to naturally align it to the "Line of the Shot".....like the legendary golfer, BOBBY JONES said "I rarely give the Master Eye much thought except to know I play better with two than I do with one".....so I get people in line with their eyesight as a result of concentrating on how they align their feet/body/eyes/cue, connecting to the line of the shot between the CB and OB.
 
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Just let this thread live as a record of how the pros aim using the concrete evidence we can find.
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I was responding to/affirming that statement. To go by concrete pro evidence and not anecdotal pro quotes online or what-have-you.

Someone mentioned the Stauch article. No comments regarding it, Sean? :)

Again, Joe Tucker - parallel aim

Reyes - some modified Houle-type pivots (with his eyes/mind, not in the physical stance), also gears balls in with outside english on many shots

McCready - instinct, a beautiful concentration working in concert with a rocking unconscious

Wiley - has explained his anti-throw/edges/cheating the pockets methods elsewhere in threads and again recently

"Different strokes, different pro folks" :)
 
Different strokes for different folks.

AtLarge said:
Could it be that Mike Davis is the only guy who has it right these days?
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Yea you right. Sometimes, I wonder. Mika is another one who likes to swing it from the shoulder a bit. It is certainly one way of keeping the cue more level as it goes through the cue ball.
 
BilliardsAbout said:
I was responding to/affirming that statement. To go by concrete pro evidence and not anecdotal pro quotes online or what-have-you.

Someone mentioned the Stauch article. No comments regarding it, Sean? :)

Again, Joe Tucker - parallel aim

Reyes - some modified Houle-type pivots (with his eyes/mind, not in the physical stance), also gears balls in with outside english on many shots

McCready - instinct, a beautiful concentration working in concert with a rocking unconscious

Wiley - has explained his anti-throw/edges/cheating the pockets methods elsewhere in threads and again recently

"Different strokes, different pro folks" :)
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Concerning the bolded part -- why are you mentioning my name / poking at me, Matt?

Are you still smarting from our last "but-but-but I (Matt) have credentials!" exchange or something?

(I'm only surmising -- it surprised me you brought my name up out of the blue, when we hadn't had an exchange in a good long while.)

-Sean

EDIT: Ahhh! I found out why -- post #31 of this thread.
 
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One Pocket John said:
Yeah, I heard that also Joey.........strange. But effective for Willie.

John
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As Atlarge mentioned, there are other top players who swing from the shoulder. Different strokes for different folks. Not too strange when you think about it as far as a more level stroke is possible with a little shoulder swing.
 
Someone mentioned the Stauch article. No comments regarding it, Sean?
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Huh? I'm waiting for a lengthy message saying Shari's article is discredited from another post on this thread like you did with me. I've been around AZ some but can't find that discussion... sorry.
 
BilliardsAbout said:
Huh? I'm waiting for a lengthy message saying Shari's article is discredited from another post on this thread like you did with me. I've been around AZ some but can't find that discussion... sorry.
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Sorry Matt, I'm not going to play that game of "let's go search AZB and inundate each other with links!" I never discredited Shari's article. What I did do -- and you are taking a huge liberty by taking my response to you out of context to say that I'm "discrediting" Shari -- is that the reason why *YOU* were quoting Shari's article was erroneous.

Let's get this straight: Shari's article, GOOD. Matt's use of Shari's article as evidence of his controversial points when that was not the intent of Shari's article: BAD.

Got it? To head-off any invites to "engage you" with some more of these silly back-and-forths, I'm giving you notice that I DECLINE, so this will be the last response from me you'll receive on this topic.

Have a good day,
-Sean
 
Epiphany,,, is that spelled right ?

One day i realized ,
that the only balls i missed,
where the balls i aimed !!!


And that changed everything !
 
JoeyA said:
Darren Appleton: SEE System by Ekkes.

Robb Saez, doesn't know how he aims and can't tell you. (He told me so and I believe him).
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Joey i think he does know. i watched very closely at the derby this year to aiming. i CLEARLY seen most of the philipinos cue about a tip to the left on virtually every shot. Bustamante is of course even more exagerated. i watched corteza alot and he would have a straight in shot and be will have tip lined up to the left on cueball. on delivery stroke he come through center. i would like to know what they r doing that for
 
gmoney1 said:
Joey i think he does know. i watched very closely at the derby this year to aiming. i CLEARLY seen most of the philipinos cue about a tip to the left on virtually every shot. Bustamante is of course even more exagerated. i watched corteza alot and he would have a straight in shot and be will have tip lined up to the left on cueball. on delivery stroke he come through center. i would like to know what they r doing that for
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As I said before, I've talked to Robb and he said he doesn't know how he aims and I believe him. I'm guessing that he was never taught to aim by someone else and he just kind of feels the shot but I will ask him about the tip lined up on the left side of the cueball, so practically speaking, he hasn't tried or doesn't know how to put his aiming technique into words. That's the most interesting thing about today's aiming systems in my opinion. Creators of the more modern aiming systems attempt to describe in words, what in the past, has been a visually learned way to aim. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the tip off to the side is nothing more than that it gives him a better view of the cue ball and the object ball.
 
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JoeyA said:
As I said before, I've talked to Robb and he said he doesn't know how he aims and I believe him. I'm guessing that he was never taught to aim by someone else and he just kind of feels the shot but I will ask him about the tip lined up on the left side of the cueball, so practically speaking, he hasn't tried or doesn't know how to put his aiming technique into words. That's the most interesting thing about today's aiming systems in my opinion. Creators of the more modern aiming systems attempt to describe in words, what in the past, has been a visually learned way to aim. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the tip off to the side is nothing more than that it gives him a better view of the cue ball and the object ball.
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Maybe this is why -> http://www.billiardsthegame.com/offset-and-pivot-aiming-systems-395
 
Busty and several others tuck their elbows in...from above you can see a lateral arc (movement) of the cue, the stroke isn't dead straight. The initial offset to the left may have something to do with compensating for the lateral swing in their stroke.
 
Let's get this straight: Shari's article, GOOD. Matt's use of Shari's article as evidence of his controversial points when that was not the intent of Shari's article: BAD.
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That's not what you said or how you said it earlier, Sean. You said the pros' comments were inexact as quoted regarding aim per some AZ thread(s) I searched for based on your recommendation, but was unable to find. I affirmed they were being honest. Many of them give their complete aim rubric in Shari's article.

Thank you for the clarification.

PS. If you don't want to go back and forth with me, don't make a random ad hominem attack on me or my quality instruction website.
 
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