You simply refuse to believe the abundant info he shares here.
How do these diamond tables play so badly? vid
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Every time a ball doesnt fall for me I know the exact reason, I missed, plain and simple.This is where things get a little dicey IMO. The statement "should fall" is somewhat subjective. It's almost like saying, "that putt should have gone in the hole." I'm sure that there are legitimate variations in table play...believe me, I have played on Dynamo bar boxes before, and I almost swore that there were no pockets on those tables.
A ball falling, or not falling however, can also be attributed to other factors as well...Shot speed, skid, throw, etc. I think for the "average" player, we're always looking to blame something on a miss, when in fact, the bottom line is that maybe the vast majority of "us" just aren't that good.
I'm sure that there are a few pros who have the necessary accumen/ability to discern subtle table differences. If every ball that was ever stroked found the bottom of the pocket, Fargo wouldn't be "necessary."
Just thinking out loud. Carry on.
You've got this wrong... It's Glenn baiting them. He enjoys these confrontations when he has time for them.
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"Too far," the phrase is "too far."
Lately i've been blaming global warming(heard it causes slate to flex all by itself) and failure to figure in the 'coefficient of friction'(there, i used it) during tip/cb contact. Both excuses come in handy and leave your opponent confused.I blame it on the wind.
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What is garbage design about a diamond. lol easiest to set up, easiest to level with tier shim and leg leveling system that no other table has. I could go on and on about their design. Sounds like someone isn’t good enough to play on tables without huge pockets. Go practice lol
He knows more than 99% 0f people on the planet.
You know I was a manager at lowes. We had an old man that worked in plumbing. He was a retired master plumber. Litteraly had a lifetime of knowledge and he could be an ornery fellow lol. The smart people would look past that because they knew his wealth of knowledge but their were always not so bright people like you that would argue with him because some how they thought they knew more. They always looked like idiots in the end and we got a good laugh at them after they left. You’re that guy we are laughing at. lol
Just my opinion, but how about the pocket liners..? Gold Crown, Rasson, Black Crown, Sam (predator) all have gone with a considerably less intrusive design of a flush pocket. I'm sure at one point the Diamond design was earth shattering. However this is biggest flaw with their current line.
At one point the wedge system was a one trick pony. Meaning you could tighten them to raise the slate, but you need to knock them back to lower. I don't know if that's been addressed or not.
Personally, I prefer the leather pockets on the Diamonds vs the plastic on the aforementioned tables, and I do like that they're not really flush with the finish of the rails because that prevents the shaft of your cue from rubbing on the rail finish. The leveling system isn't flawed, the mechanics not knowing how to use any leveling system on a pool table is the problem. As table manufacturers change and improve their designs, the mechanics for the most part continue working on pool tables as they always have, git it done fast, get paid, get out of there!!! Is you don't over level any slates, you don't have to go back and correct your leveling job!!!
Do you know the height of rails on other popular brand pool tables like Brunswick, Olhausen, etc.? Diamond tables
bank differently than other tables. I attribute that to the rails but don’t have empirical data to support my conclusion.
Leather vs rubber (not plastic, but nice attempt at trying to cheapen the contruction
) is subjective, so to each their own I suppose. The design of the diamond pocket makes that leather far more intrusive then the modern flush design. Not entirely sure about this cue rubbing on the rail finish thing. I haven't experienced that on flush pockets that were 'not diamonds'. Probably boils down to personal shot mechanicsNice... by saying "isn't flawed" do you mean they corrected the design so you can lower the slate by only having to turn the wedge screw counter-clockwise...?
I will add that I don't think either of my comments are "garbage" design flaws. Just a couple of things that can be improved apon greatly and border on WTF
Info on this: https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/diamond-pro-am-cushion-height.465370/ One thing that Diamond themselves told me is that their rails, being laminated butcher-block style, are stiffer leading to a 'hotter' rebound. Said GC's solid rail is a tad more pliable. I play on both brands and don't see the big deal. Just an adjustment you make.
No, I'm saying that if you truly knew how to level slates with the Diamond leveling system, you'd never have to back a wedge down. How many have you leveled? I personally have leveled 1,000's of them, and have yet to have to back a wedge down, unless I'm following someone else's attempt to level the table, then I loosen all the rail bolts, back all the wedges off, level the frame again, bolt the rails down, then start leveling the slate all over again!Leather vs rubber (not plastic, but nice attempt at trying to cheapen the contruction
Nice... by saying "isn't flawed" do you mean they corrected the design so you can lower the slate by only having to turn the wedge screw counter-clockwise...?
I will add that I don't think either of my comments are "garbage" design flaws. Just a couple of things that can be improved apon greatly and border on WTF
He don't know what he's talking about because it's 63 1/2% + or - 1% and that formula only applies to 1 model of cushions and 1 exact subrail thickness! You can throw that formula out the door when it comes to most of the tables built today!!
Hello Mr KingCobra,
Can I bother you for just a few questions?
I saw many of your responses on AZB Billiards and feel you’re rep is pretty much the pinnacle so maybe you would be able to help me.
I have a 9 Diamond red label table. I am lucky to have it but really am having bad luck with the rails. They bank terrible. One thing is they bank very slow. Full table I have to hit literally as hard as I can to make the cue ball go 4 1/2 lengths. I’m 230 and strong as hell so I know it ain’t me. I can also tell as when I play league on Monday’s I lag 2-3 diamonds long when I use my regular at home lag.
Also it banks short on angles (on soft to medium follow shots it’s about 1 ball short and hard hits it ends up way short like a diamond or 1 1/2 diamonds short.
I’ve tried the armor all where the cushions meet the ball and that didn’t work. The nose of the cushions are touching the balls at the 1 and 7/16ths spot on my ruler.
I tried putting expensive Artemis cushions on and it didn’t help. It made it worse a matter of fact. They’re mushy. Very disappointing.
I just bought Brunswick superspeed cushions and I will have them installed soon by a guy down in south Florida named Brett.
Should I have the rubber cushions installed lower or should I change the angle on them?
Please help me as figuring out this red label diamond s worse than mastering a Rubix cube. Tnx, Ray
Can I bother you for just a few questions?
I saw many of your responses on AZB Billiards and feel you’re rep is pretty much the pinnacle so maybe you would be able to help me.
I have a 9 Diamond red label table. I am lucky to have it but really am having bad luck with the rails. They bank terrible. One thing is they bank very slow. Full table I have to hit literally as hard as I can to make the cue ball go 4 1/2 lengths. I’m 230 and strong as hell so I know it ain’t me. I can also tell as when I play league on Monday’s I lag 2-3 diamonds long when I use my regular at home lag.
Also it banks short on angles (on soft to medium follow shots it’s about 1 ball short and hard hits it ends up way short like a diamond or 1 1/2 diamonds short.
I’ve tried the armor all where the cushions meet the ball and that didn’t work. The nose of the cushions are touching the balls at the 1 and 7/16ths spot on my ruler.
I tried putting expensive Artemis cushions on and it didn’t help. It made it worse a matter of fact. They’re mushy. Very disappointing.
I just bought Brunswick superspeed cushions and I will have them installed soon by a guy down in south Florida named Brett.
Should I have the rubber cushions installed lower or should I change the angle on them?
Please help me as figuring out this red label diamond s worse than mastering a Rubix cube. Tnx, Ray
boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
@realkingcobra
Hopefully that will notify him. You can probably call him too.
Are your rail bolts properly torqued to 15 foot pounds? If you haven't checked them get a torque wrench and do so. They need checked/torqued once in a while.
As said before check rail bolt torque. ALL red label D's banked a lil short. Permanent fix is to have the sub-rails re-cut to Blue lable specs. To contact RKC best way is to call him. His ph # is on his FB page. New cushions,any brand, should not be 'mushy' in any way.