Got me wondering here. I'm gonna ask D'mond what a Blue top would cost for a 9' ProAm. Bet its more than having a rail re-do done.
How do these diamond tables play so badly? vid
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i play on tables that greats have played on
thats meaningless who plays on them
ive also played live music on the same stage metallica once did in the early 80s here in houston
so what? lol
Wait a minute, it has been well documented here that Gold Crown pocket angles are crap from the factory. The 2 sides of the pocket don't even match. All of your Diamond complaints I assume stem from the red label Diamonds, everyone including Diamond knew that those tables played fast because the rails were not right, that has been corrected on the Blue Label Diamonds. Its gotta be close to 20 years ago since Diamond even made red label tables, they are getting tough to find even if you look for them. I don't understand how you can continue to knock Diamond when they make a great table, this is coming from a Gold Crown owner and I love my Gold Crown. I had Jeremy Chambers modify my GC rails to tighten up the pockets, as far as I know they are very close to the same angles that Diamond currently uses and my table even has Artemis cushions, in doesn't play like a pinball machine, in fact it plays very similar to the Blue Label Diamonds in my area. My table also plays extremely similar to the 50 Gold Crown III's that Romines High Pockets has, bank angle and speed wise anyhow, as do Blue Label Diamonds. I'm not sure where you manage to find so many Diamonds that play like pinball machines.
Two or three years ago there was a Red for sale local. Diamond told me $2000 plus 500 for the shim system.
I agree and have said many times my GC4 plays as close to a blue label as you can get.
I'm just relaying what Heath M. at Diamond told me when i emailed them. What something cost three yrs ago is irrelevant now.
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I love my Diamond table. And to be perfectly honest you should be able to figure out a table bank length within the first 10 minutes. Generally the tournaments I play have the same tables so it really is not a problem to figure them out. On the occasion there is a mix of Diamonds and Valleys it gets complicated and frustrating.
Incorrect. My complaints stem from both Red AND Blue labels. I've been playing on Diamonds since the late 1990's, thru to today. The Blue label, whether 7' or 9', is still artificially fast on the rebound angle compared to its bed speed. And artificially short. The switch from Red to Blue happened about 2011. I go to a couple rooms that still have both side by side, and there is hardly any difference.
Its called hating the way Diamond fundamentally changed the playing characteristic of pool, and speaking up about it.Its called "DDS"- DiamondDerangementSyndrom
That's probably the way to go, rather than have a mechanic come and table saw the rails to a new angle, etc.
Me personally, IF I had a red and wanted a blue, I'd probably sell the Red outright, and buy a new Blue entire table. Actually maybe not, that would probably be 9k for the new Blue, and the Red would sell for 2k, so 7k difference.
BTW, I was at DCC around 2011 or 2012 and attended a Banks clinic there by Brumback. This was right after Diamond changed from Red to Blue, and the tables there were all Blue. Someone in the audience asked how to adjust from the red to blue when playing banks. John said there is no adjustment.
I'm not making this up, it was right from his mouth and I was there in person, having paid my fee for the clinic, and heard it.
I'm not making this up, it was right from his mouth and I was there in person, having paid my fee for the clinic, and heard it.
BTW, 2 years later now that this thread was bumped, did the OP ever figure out what was wrong with the dozens of tables at the tournament he attended? Did some hack butcher them, or were they that way straight from the factory? Or was his stroke so bad like many suggested in this thread and he can't make BIH?
That's a rhetorical question, I already know the answer
That's a rhetorical question, I already know the answer
Wow, that's really fascinating. The red and blues up here play noticeably different from one another. The reds bank so much shorter than the blues that it looks like the ball comes off of the rail straight even though it went in with angle. You story is the exception rather than the norm. FWIW I have also seen Valleys play like pinball ball machines because the cloth was so worn out but that was an exception. Maybe your GC is gaffed giving you a false belief of how a table should play or possibly you are just biased. If it were really fact I would think that you would hear a lot more about the fast Diamonds but now that Blue Labels are widely distributed that talk has quieted down.
OK, so someone caught Brumback on a bad day while he was frustrated, got any other stories?? The only way to ever settle this debate would be to have someone's stroke robot shooting the same bank shots on the different tables, anything else will just be a matter of opinion and I'm sure you know what they say about opinions. Have a good one.
IMO, people got used to them. It's also a tough pill to swallow if someone plays 10k for a table/light/delivery and then doesn't want to look the fool and complain that it doesn't play right. That happened for years with the Reds. Probably most of the complaints during the Red days came from players that didn't own one.
I, in fact, play my best pool on a Diamond 7'. Compared to a 9' GC. It's smaller so it's easier. I'd say most of my pool these days is on Diamond.
I've said before, I think the main reason some people have good experiences on Diamonds, and some have bad, is they are more susceptible to temp/humidiy changes.
I play at a room in the philly suburbs that is all Diamonds, and I like them there. I play at another room in Delaware, and the Diamonds there bounce like a pin ball. Both rooms are new (less than 5 years old) Blue label 7'.
I was also at the Hopkins event last year and played in it. 100 or so brand new from the factory Blue 7', that were total pin ball machines. 5 feet away was a brand new Gold Crown Coin that Savanah was running racks on in the Brunswick booth, that was playing perfect. The ball came off the rail with noticeable less speed than it came in with. On a Diamond, the ball comes off the rail at almost the speed it went in.
What are you talking about? He had a paid banks clinic. He was not having a bad day. He was giving an instruction to a group of players that paid for the clinic.
You all have Gregory in the highest esteem of rail builders. Go ask him what he thinks of Diamond rails. His opinion directly clashing with Cobra is why he left this site.