How do we create consistency in our pool game?

[duckie]

Can you imagine using a ghost ball?

I guess that's the only way you could use a ghost ball.....to imagine it. LoL

Just can't imagine betting my money on the ability to see a ghost.

You are a jerk.....all you do is make fun of others.

You seem to feel you are gods gift to the pool world by thinking your style of play is the only way to play.

Your style of play ain't shit. It ain't nothing special. It's all in your ego mania mind.

 

[SJDinPHX]

It just dawned on me I finally realized why you pick on "THE CJ"! You're jealous because the only 3 things you can do in life is-
#1-deliver boxes <--but, I did it very well !
#2-play pool at a "fairly" high level (a looong time ago anyway)<--I did that pretty well too!
#3-pick on "THE CJ" because he can actually "teach"!<--NO he can't, but he THINKS he can !

...You're jealous of the man because he can do a countless other things in life where you have your "3"! <--Just like the rest of your semi-literate, repetitive post, (which I didn't bother quoting) You couldn't be more wrong!..There is zero jealousy..I do appreciate his skill at 'certain' pool games..But, I do think he may be an 'autistic savant', because, when it comes to expressing himself, he is the 'Mike Tyson' of pool !....I can easily give him the 5 out and the break, at communicating ! (its sad, that you can't see that :sorry

Just curious, Mr.L ..Does CJ hold seminars, to train his minions, (like you, and the other 3)..to teach
y'all how to repeat the same drivel, over and over and over and over and over, again ? :groucho:

PS.Does he have a separate course for posting meaningless, off topic quotes, pic's and cartoons ?
..It surely can't be just to keep himself on the first page.....can it ???

 

[DAVE_M]

I guess practicing creating a bigger target zone, and improving your acceleration at impact isn't "proper practice"? This is what TOI and the wrist/finger motion does, it's pretty simpler.

We have a wide variety of practice tools that enable the player to widen their playing horizons so they can see what the champions are familiar with. I'm always happy to share what I know and have learned, although it will bother "you know who". LoL

"We will only recognize the shots we become familiar with in pocket billiards" - CJ Wiley

You just quoted yourself...

You win as the most arrogant, pompous, and unbearably egotistical person in the history of this forum.

Can you imagine using a ghost ball?

I guess that's the only way you could use a ghost ball.....to imagine it. LoL

Just can't imagine betting my money on the ability to see a ghost.

You shame others by plastering your so-called knowledge. You are nothing but a salesman. The equivalent of a washed up golfer who sells clubs at the local sporting goods store. You don't want to hear other's opinions and you point the finger at anyone who disagrees with your nonsense!

 

[CJ Wiley]

You just quoted yourself...

You win as the most arrogant, pompous, and unbearably egotistical person in the history of this forum.

What an incredible compliment, thanks, I feel like Arnold Palmer all of a sudden. LOL

 

[CJ Wiley]

It's just a game, and games are to enjoy and express yourself with

You are a jerk.....all you do is make fun of others.

You seem to feel you are gods gift to the pool world by thinking your style of play is the only way to play.

Your style of play ain't shit. It ain't nothing special. It's all in your ego mania mind.

Mercy, can you not understand my humor, or are you that really that naive'?

Surely I've said a hundred times that I only express the way I play....why does it bother you so much? It's just a game, and games are to enjoy and express yourself with. Tell us how you play, I'm sure it would entertaining and I, for one, would not care at all.

'The GAME is the teacher'

 

[CJ Wiley]

appreciate "the CJ," after all I'm his brother from another mother.

It just dawned on me I finally realized why you pick on "THE CJ"! You're jealous because the only 3 things you can do in life is-
#1-deliver boxes
#2-play pool at a "fairly" high level(a looooooooong time ago anyway)
#3-pick on "THE CJ" because he can actually "teach"!

You're jealous of the man because he can do a countless other things in life where you have your "3"!

You know I'm very confident that if you asked " THE CJ" for help in any other aspect in life besides the only "3" things you do "ok" at, I'm sure " THE CJ" would be willing to help!

P.S. how are you and your bestie Hilary doing in the social ladder of society?

Let it go SJD, maybe at one time in your life you had something, but your too old sir! Let it go! Your days are basically numbered, go find some of the bar maids and "try" to do something fun with them. Your efforts to belittle "THE CJ" are just attempts to nothingness for you!

Here's the deal, he outplays your every move! Let it go! And if you want to be a contributor instead of a pain the ass, then let it go!

Share some stories, the good and the bad let's look at YOUR life and show us what there is to appreciate about "The Great SJD"!

Let it go, your playing efren 1hole and he needs 1, 5 balls in front of his hole and you're cornerhooked -4! You're still trying?? For what?? Next game buddy, this time maybe a different plan

He just needs to love and appreciate "the CJ," after all I'm his brother from another mother.

 

[CJ Wiley]

I will make an educated guess that you don't feel "connected"

I believe the grip and bridge needs to be a personal connection to the cue and everyone has their own method. With that said there's a couple of "common denomenators" your bridge must do to be effective.

First, it must be firm and stable enough to keep the cue solid though the stoke. If the bridge hand moves or is loose it will cause a lack of control that will cause negative reactions (when the cue tip deviates "off line" after contact), especially under pressure.

When under pressure we tend to "tighten up", so I recommend holding the cue firmer under critical conditions. There must also be a "groove" established in your bridge so you can feel the cue going absolutely straight. When you get to the point you KNOW your cue is delivered straight and pure through the cue ball your ready to jump up some levels.

The basic foundation of the game is hitting the cue ball straight every time and understanding how this is accomplished physically in your pre shot routine ( I like to call this the "pre connection routine"). The cue ball is the primary target and for the most part you are just "aware" of the object ball once you're down on the shot.

If you get to "object ball conscious" it leads to a disconnection to occur. You know this is happening when you suddenly miss shots for no apparent reason. I will make an educated guess that you don't feel "connected" when this happens.

To get maximum feel when you're down on the shot there must be a "visual trade off," where you shift from "seeing" the shot to "feeling" the shot. I describe the experience as "feeling with my eyes." 'The Game is the Teacher'

 

[liakos]

Just curious, Mr.L ..Does CJ hold seminars, to train his minions, (like you, and the other 3)..to teach
y'all how to repeat the same drivel, over and over and over and over and over, again ? :groucho:

PS.Does he have a separate course for posting meaningless, off topic quotes, pic's and cartoons ?
..It surely can't be just to keep himself on the first page.....can it ???

Well Mr. S, no he doesn't hold any seminars that I am aware of. But I can say this, he definitely helped me with my game a lot more than you have! I will be making some time to see him in the near future to take a lesson or 2 because of the help he has given me already!

Now you may say that I would be wasting my money but, after a couple nice little scores as of late, I kinda owe him

We all know you are the greatest 1-hole player in your entire fish bowl, but I can't remember you ever giving any kind of advice that "helped" me or anyone for that matter! Oh wait,,,,,,,,,,, I'm not in your fish bowl! Forget it

 

[CJ Wiley]

, I'm glad to have the opportunity to help you and anyone else that has benefited

Well Mr. S, no he doesn't hold any seminars that I am aware of. But I can say this, he definitely helped me with my game a lot more than you have! I will be making some time to see him in the near future to take a lesson or 2 because of the help he has given me already!

Now you may say that I would be wasting my money but, after a couple nice little scores as of late, I kinda owe him

We all know you are the greatest 1-hole player in your entire fish bowl, but I can't remember you ever giving any kind of advice that "helped" me or anyone for that matter! Oh wait,,,,,,,,,,, I'm not in your fish bowl! Forget it

I've given a lot of training in trade for a piece of the "gambling action" through the years....this is how I got started, and, of course, how I originally learned.

As a matter of fact, one of my students ended up paying several thousand dollars for about 10 hours in lessons. Of course, I also taught him how to match up and a proposition game that won him almost 2k of the money.

Sometimes "free lessons" can end up being quite lucrative, other times not....either way, I'm glad to have the opportunity to help you and anyone else that has benefited from my teachings. I have a lot more that hasn't been shared on this forum, maybe I'll discuss some of them in the near future....if there's any interest in strategic play. 'the GAME is the teacher'

 

[driven]

That's right, I've never claimed to "invent" TOI, I just had the opportunity to share it with the world in a format that other players can benefit as I have.

There is no one way to play pool, we all know this. From what I can tell only about 37% of the players will actually understand how to apply TOI to their own games. The other 63% can still benefit from learning (through TOI) how the deflection really enhances their games. It's not unlike "drawing and fading" the golf ball, as ALL pro golfers do.

Whether a player chooses TOI or TOO, it really doesn't matter, using the teaching of TOI it's easy to learn both, either, or neither.....it's completely up to the player and his "free will". 'The Game is the Teacher'

This is the first time I've heard you talk of TOO. touch of outside, which is the way I like to hit it. Mike Sigel, winner of over a hundred tournys, said in one of his 1980's videos.
"half a tip outside spin"

So, What's the difference??
I prefer the little outside, you the inside.
you are a champion player, I am not...

You just said it really doesn't matter, but I think it does.
Is your way that different than Mike's way, or is it a lefty righty kind of thing?

 

[SJDinPHX]

Well Mr. S, no he doesn't hold any seminars that I am aware of. But I can say this, he definitely helped me with my game a lot more than you have! I will be making some time to see him in the near future to take a lesson or 2 because of the help he has given me already!

Now you may say that I would be wasting my money but, after a couple nice little scores as of late, I kinda owe him

We all know you are the greatest 1-hole player in your entire fish bowl, but I can't remember you ever giving any kind of advice that "helped" me or anyone for that matter! Oh wait,,,,,,,,,,, I'm not in your fish bowl! Forget it

Mr. L...As I have been telling anyone willing to listen..I do not believe hammering out hundreds of words of advice 'on paper', can teach anyone, anything!..If you were able to reap any benefit at all, from his endless "assault on the senses", you must have started out as a 'Z' player !

Yes, I would encourage you to take some lessons from him..No matter what his skills as a teacher may be, you will learn more in 10 minutes of personal instruction, than you could possibly have learned from his 10,000 rambling, confusing, (often contradictory) written posts !

PS..But, I'm certainly happy for you, that CJ, has 'hammered' home enough of his rhetoric, that you are now making the 'big bucks' hustling pool ! :bash:
........(but, you are right about one thing...You are definitely NOT in my fishbowl.)

 

[Timothy Rose]

Mr. L...As I have been telling anyone willing to listen..I do not believe hammering out hundreds of words of advice 'on paper', can teach anyone, anything!..If you were able to reap any benefit from his endless "assault on the senses", you must have started out as a 'Z' player !

Yes, I would encourage you to take some lessons from him..No matter what his skills as a teacher may be, you will learn more in 10 minutes of personal instruction, than you will have learned from his 10,000 rambling, confusing, (often contradictory) written posts !..And you are right...You are definitely NOT in my fishbowl !

PS..But, I'm certainly happy for you, that he has 'hammered' home enough of his rhetoric, that you are now making the
'big bucks' hustling pool ! :bash:

Lots of things can be learned with a open mind there old fella....even when you think you know it all

 

[SJDinPHX]

Lots of things can be learned with a open mind there old fella....even when you think you know it all

Good Lord, its another one of his immature, Z-player 'victim's' ! :embarrassed2:

 

[CJ Wiley]

I can utilize both styles, I prefer TOI on worn cloth in pool room conditions

This is the first time I've heard you talk of TOO. touch of outside, which is the way I like to hit it. Mike Sigel, winner of over a hundred tournys, said in one of his 1980's videos.
"half a tip outside spin"

So, What's the difference??
I prefer the little outside, you the inside.
you are a champion player, I am not...

You just said it really doesn't matter, but I think it does.
Is your way that different than Mike's way, or is it a lefty righty kind of thing?

The TOO and TOI can be used the same to utilize 'The 3 Part Pocket System'.

With TOO, you try to spin the cue ball, and with TOI you try NOT to spin the cue ball. The reason is, with TOO you need the spin to over-cut the object ball slightly so you c can favor the inside of the 'Pocket Zone' - with TOI you don't try to spin the cue ball because it's the slight defection that allows you to align to the inside of the 'Pocket Zone' and calibrate it to hit center pocket (calibration is usually done with shot speed).

Hope this helps, I can utilize both styles, I prefer TOI on worn cloth in pool room conditions. On new cloth that slides I may change depending on humidity, cloth, etc.

 

[Timothy Rose]

good lord, its another one of his immature, z-player 'victim's' ! :embarrassed2:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ftw <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

 

[SJDinPHX]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FTW <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Easily one of your cleverest, most sensible posts !........(????????)

 

[CJ Wiley]

the touch you feel for the cue ball will change if the left side of the body is off

I think you're on to something good here, C.J.

I honestly believe that most of the shots (makeable ones) I miss are due to my feet not being in the right position causing my body to be improperly positioned in reference to the shot line.

I will be interested in this developing research/instruction you are doing.

Maniac

Pool is a two sided game, the left side is more for structure and the right side provides the movement of the cue. Both sides are equally important in my opinion and deserve the same emphasis at the foundation (the feet). This can easily be added into your pre-shot routine when understood and systematically incorporated.

I bring attention to the footwork part of the game to all my students. It's not vital to stand in a specific way, however, it is important to the same way relative to the "line of the shot".

The left foot is where many players get lazy and don't place it at the same angle every time. This translates to the left side of the body being slightly altered and can lead to inconsistency.

Even the touch you feel for the cue ball will change if the left side of the body is not properly placed on each and every shot.

 

[Poolbilli]

The TOO and TOI can be used the same to utilize 'The 3 Part Pocket System'.



With TOO, you try to spin the cue ball, and with TOI you try NOT to spin the cue ball. The reason is, with TOO you need the spin to over-cut the object ball slightly so you c can favor the inside of the 'Pocket Zone' - with TOI you don't try to spin the cue ball because it's the slight defection that allows you to align to the inside of the 'Pocket Zone' and calibrate it to hit center pocket (calibration is usually done with shot speed).



Hope this helps, I can utilize both styles, I prefer TOI on worn cloth in pool room conditions. On new cloth that slides I may change depending on humidity, cloth, etc.

Hi CJ,
i've bought your videostream on your website some hours ago
It's really fantastic what you can do with the TOI system! I tried it today for two hours - just great.
Here' my question:
I'm playing a Mezz HP2 low deflection shaft. I remarked that some shots your demonstrating in the video are not makeable with this shaft ....sure i can give more angle on the cue and increase the speed, but this is not very controlable.
So i started in aiming the object ball not only straight but as well: half and quarter ball. This worked perfect.
What do you advise? Continue like this or changing to a non LD shaft?

 

[CJ Wiley]

TOI is used to develop your touch and feel for the pocket zone

Hi CJ,
i've bought your videostream on your website some hours ago
It's really fantastic what you can do with the TOI system! I tried it today for two hours - just great.
Here' my question:
I'm playing a Mezz HP2 low deflection shaft. I remarked that some shots your demonstrating in the video are not makeable with this shaft ....sure i can give more angle on the cue and increase the speed, but this is not very controlable.
So i started in aiming the object ball not only straight but as well: half and quarter ball. This worked perfect.
What do you advise? Continue like this or changing to a non LD shaft?

Yes, you can use "quarter ball," or I even use shadows as reference points sometimes. My shafts are not LD, although they only deflect about a half pocket on a full, 9' shot with moderate shot speed. This is your personal decision, keep experimenting and you should come to a conclusion soon.

Remember, I ALIGN center or edge of the object ball, however, I AIM to the inside of the pocket and use the TOI to throw it slightly into the center.

It's easy to favor the inside of the pocket, however, it's next to impossible to favor the center, especially on cut shots that gives you no vision of the center.

Make sure to accelerate if you're under-cutting the object ball, this is a common issue when first using 'The Touch of Inside' - TOI is used to develop your touch and feel for the pocket zone, it's not an "aiming system" like CTE or my system in 'Ultimate Pool Secrets'.

It will also give you a heightened cue ball control once you get used to the natural angles. Taking the after-contact-spin off is what enables this to happen.

Play Well, the GAME will now be your teacher.

 

[Chrippa]

Mr. L...As I have been telling anyone willing to listen..I do not believe hammering out hundreds of words of advice 'on paper', can teach anyone, anything!..If you were able to reap any benefit at all, from his endless "assault on the senses", you must have started out as a 'Z' player !

Yes, I would encourage you to take some lessons from him..No matter what his skills as a teacher may be, you will learn more in 10 minutes of personal instruction, than you could possibly have learned from his 10,000 rambling, confusing, (often contradictory) written posts !

PS..But, I'm certainly happy for you, that CJ, has 'hammered' home enough of his rhetoric, that you are now making the 'big bucks' hustling pool ! :bash:
........(but, you are right about one thing...You are definitely NOT in my fishbowl.)

HI SJD,

well said, - "believe" is the right word and it´s actions to understand something is necessary for it to work. When you believe you are open up the door to "see" what is behind what was before closed.

For me and many more, CJ´s way of constantly telling the same things in different ways is his way of doing whatever he can to teach the things he see. He learns from the questions we ask. To be a good teacher you need also to be a good student.

I believe you when you say you don´t believe in anything CJ says and I do believe in me when I believe in many things CJ says.

We humans can do so, so many fantastic things - just use our imagination, - in that world everything is possible and if you believe it will come true.
This takes practice for most of us and the practice usually is mostly to take away all the "I can't´s" we have told ourselves over the years.
A good way to find it again (it is always present) is to go back in years to when you were a kid, remember the imagination you had when you were a child,- when you played and everything was exciting and you felt with every cell in your body.
For me the bogeyman felt really real in my body when I could´t sleep and leaned over the bed in fear to look under the bed. It was the same for my little girl - I bought her a "bogey go away flashlight" - worked great because when you light up the dark you see that it was nothing there..................

Take care you all and imagine a happy, peaceful state please:smile:

Christian