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curious to read your theories on why this happened to me
like many
my perfect long straight in stop shots are not always perfect
alittle spin/alittle drift you know what i mean
well yesterday while practicing i decided to try pretending the object ball was not there and aimed at a spot in the pocket that was a continuation of a straight line from cue ball to object ball to pocket
(usually i am aimin cue ball to object ball /object ball to pocket and for a stright in i aim at the base of the cue ball( edit i aim at base of object ball)
and check to see if my cue tip is on the vertical axis/i look at object ball last)
well i was surprised i hit 4 stop shots in a row with no spin and perfect or really close to perfect
havent tried to do it again yet
any thoughts on why eliminating the object ball seemed to improve my fundamentals?
 
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A more precise target. Try aiming your stroke at the OB contact point rather than just "overlapping" the two balls.

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
A more precise target. Try aiming your stroke at the OB contact point rather than just "overlapping" the two balls.

pj
chgo
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i edited my post above pj
i aim at base of object ball and check that my cue tip is on my perceived vertical axis
 
Hate to be a wet blanket, but could just be a fluke. Keep hitting that shot the same way for a week and then get back to us. My guess is you revert to prior results. Maybe you are relaxing at contact because you aren't thinking as much about hitting the ob?
 
bbb said:
i edited my post above pj
i aim at base of object ball and check that my cue tip is on my perceived vertical axis
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I'm guessing you don't see the base of the object ball as clearly/precisely as the spot in the pocket (or maybe don't stroke toward it as precisely).

pj
chgo
 
Yup. I can take a pretty good guess here about what happened. Remember when I wrote about triggers? Well, something triggers that affects your stroke when you aim at an object ball when trying to execute a stop shot. It probably started as an anxiety thing and then became a habit. Check your knuckles. Make sure they are in the same place on the grip in both your starting position and your follow through position. Also, you might want to compare your follow through length when you shoot it aiming at the ob and then aiming at the spot near the pocket. A shortened follow through could be an indication of poor stroke timing.
 
FranCrimi said:
Yup. I can take a pretty good guess here about what happened. Remember when I wrote about triggers? Well, something triggers that affects your stroke when you aim at an object ball when trying to execute a stop shot. It probably started as an anxiety thing and then became a habit. Check your knuckles. Make sure they are in the same place on the grip in both your starting position and your follow through position. Also, you might want to compare your follow through length when you shoot it aiming at the ob and then aiming at the spot near the pocket. A shortened follow through could be an indication of poor stroke timing.
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Paralleling that, in the 99 shots book, Ray M suggests ignoring the object ball on draw shots. This lack of (incorrect) confirmation bias is probably at work here. BBB strokes for a stop instead of trying to produce a specific stop shot.
 
Dan White said:
Hate to be a wet blanket, but could just be a fluke. Keep hitting that shot the same way for a week and then get back to us. My guess is you revert to prior results. Maybe you are relaxing at contact because you aren't thinking as much about hitting the ob?
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no wet blanket
it entered my mind you could be right
thats why i posted the thread
i will give results in a week or so
 
FranCrimi said:
Yup. I can take a pretty good guess here about what happened. Remember when I wrote about triggers? Well, something triggers that affects your stroke when you aim at an object ball when trying to execute a stop shot. It probably started as an anxiety thing and then became a habit. Check your knuckles. Make sure they are in the same place on the grip in both your starting position and your follow through position. Also, you might want to compare your follow through length when you shoot it aiming at the ob and then aiming at the spot near the pocket. A shortened follow through could be an indication of poor stroke timing.
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i will look in to that fran
thanks for your reply
 
straightline said:
Paralleling that, in the 99 shots book, Ray M suggests ignoring the object ball on draw shots. This lack of (incorrect) confirmation bias is probably at work here. BBB strokes for a stop instead of trying to produce a specific stop shot.
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thanks for the reply
 
bbb said:
curious to read your theories on why this happened to me
like many
my perfect long straight in stop shots are not always perfect
alittle spin/alittle drift you know what i mean
well yesterday while practicing i decided to try pretending the object ball was not there and aimed at a spot in the pocket that was a continuation of a straight line from cue ball to object ball to pocket
(usually i am aimin cue ball to object ball /object ball to pocket and for a stright in i aim at the base of the cue ball( edit i aim at base of object ball)
and check to see if my cue tip is on the vertical axis/i look at object ball last)
well i was surprised i hit 4 stop shots in a row with no spin and perfect or really close to perfect
havent tried to do it again yet
any thoughts on why eliminating the object ball seemed to improve my fundamentals?
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Thats how I've been doing it for decades.
Works for me.
 
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bbb said:
well yesterday while practicing i decided to try pretending the object ball was not there and aimed at a spot in the pocket that was a continuation of a straight line from cue ball to object ball to pocket
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Can you post a ChalkySticks image of the shot you were shooting here?

Here's a link.

ChalkySticks Pad
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
Can you post a ChalkySticks image of the shot you were shooting here?
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I'm pretty sure that when he said...
bbb said:
...aimed at a spot in the pocket that was a continuation of a straight line from cue ball to object ball to pocket
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...he meant:
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pj <- disclaimer: not ChalkySticks
chgo
 
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DrCue'sProtege said:
Can you post a ChalkySticks image of the shot you were shooting here?

Here's a link.

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cue ball on the spot
object ball at a spot 2 diamonds up from the head rail where a straight line goes thru the object ball
to where the facing and black rubber meet as an example
can you diagram it for me?
 
bbb said:
Yes
Thats the shot
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You have to relax on these types of shots. There are certain shots that automatically cause a bit of anxiety because we feel we need to be perfect and control every little aspect of our stroke. The truth is actually the opposite. Don't try to control things so much. Just let your arm go.
 
Hre is an update and thanks to all for their advice
fran i did notice my stroke is alittle more”punched” when aiming at the object ball
Probably from my desire to “ accelerate” thru the cue ball
when aiming at the pocket i still accelerate but the stroke is more “ fluid”
dan my results did drift from perfect towards my norm but at a reduced rate ie more better ones...👍
 
bbb said:
Hre is an update and thanks to all for their advice
fran i did notice my stroke is alittle more”punched” when aiming at the object ball
Probably from my desire to “ accelerate” thru the cue ball
when aiming at the pocket i still accelerate but the stroke is more “ fluid”
dan my results did drift from perfect towards my norm but at a reduced rate ie more better ones...👍
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Good. So now you have to reprogram yourself because it's not realistic to aim at spots beyond the object ball on a regular basis during a match. You need to figure out a way to change your reaction to that. You may surprise yourself too, because this reaction may extend to other shots as well. If you fix your reaction, you may have succeeded in fixing problems with several different shots.
 
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