How do you fix this?

[TableTek]

Got a call a few months ago from a customer outside Albany NY. He claimed he had a Brunswick Madison that had a cracked slate that he wanted fixed. Our schedules just lined up before the expo, so I ran up to take a look. Apparently when he had his floor installed, the tile guys moved this 9ft Madison and dropped it. The foot slate cracked right down the center in line with a rail bolt hole. Something didn't add up, seemed unlikely that would crack without breaking something else first. When I got it back and separated the slate pieces it was a previous repair, using Bondo.

Question to all those willing to indulge me, how would you fix it? It is already finished and is dead flat. I am interested in what you all would have done given the situation.

 

[realkingcobra]

Got a call a few months ago from a customer outside Albany NY. He claimed he had a Brunswick Madison that had a cracked slate that he wanted fixed. Our schedules just lined up before the expo, so I ran up to take a look. Apparently when he had his floor installed, the tile guys moved this 9ft Madison and dropped it. The foot slate cracked right down the center in line with a rail bolt hole. Something didn't add up, seemed unlikely that would crack without breaking something else first. When I got it back and separated the slate pieces it was a previous repair, using Bondo.

Question to all those willing to indulge me, how would you fix it? It is already finished and is dead flat. I am interested in what you all would have done given the situation.

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Since you insist on playing these little games of "I'm just as good as you Glen"....maybe I'll show you how....since I'm fixing a broken slate on a GC1 right now....but then again, maybe I'll just let you keep thinking you "are"...until I stop being amused by them

Glen

PS. I'm not the person who fixed that slate last that you're talking about, so once again Rob....you need to chill out and stop trying to call me out...you...are NOT in my league of experience....and are NOT even close....so back up!

 

[TableTek]

Maybe we should ask Mr Wilson to update this forum for you, how about "Talk to Glen"? If you want to share, that is great. I am sure that there are at least 11 (just kidding of course guys) qualified mechanics out there that can do this fix. I do love the games, and the subtle jabs. No disrespect intended with this post, I am certain your fix is quality. I doubt it is the same as I do it, and that is cool. Just showing that there is more to being a mechanic than putting cloth on, not unlike your viewpoint on the carpet guys.


Had to edit this lower part, just read your comment from last post. Nope, didn't even consider it was you. It was some young guy that only did antique work in Albany. He apparently moved to Europe or something actually.. So Defensive!

 

[realkingcobra]

Maybe we should ask Mr Wilson to update this forum for you, how about "Talk to Glen"? If you want to share, that is great. I am sure that there are at least 11 (just kidding of course guys) qualified mechanics out there that can do this fix. I do love the games, and the subtle jabs. No disrespect intended with this post, I am certain your fix is quality. I doubt it is the same as I do it, and that is cool. Just showing that there is more to being a mechanic than putting cloth on, not unlike your viewpoint on the carpet guys.


Had to edit this lower part, just read your comment from last post. Nope, didn't even consider it was you. It was some young guy that only did antique work in Albany. He apparently moved to Europe or something actually.. So Defensive!

I'm going into the store right now to buy 12 cans of soup, to use to fix this broken slate I'm working on....I'll let you figure out how the soup cans fit into the picture of repairing a broken slate if you figure it out, maybe you'll learn something...if not...well, then you're right back to where you were

 

[gmillioni]

12 cans of soup

i got the answer and im not even a mechanic. the soup is for you to eat while it takes you time to figure out and fix the problem. :sorry: just thought i'd add a little levity to these mechanic feuds. gerald

 

[TableTek]

Sounds like a good way to go shopping (are they beans for the campfire?)and do the work.

To answer your question it is to place between a good slate and the broken pieces.

Not a bad use actually, below is what I do. Maybe we can each take something from this. And so you know, the lower slate was checked for flat an stoned flat prior. Since mine is an antique, I did have to assure the lead for the retained nuts was not above the surface of the slate...

 

[TableTek]

Hi Gerald,
You are the best! Everyone seems to stay away from these posts as if you would get excommunicated from the church of Glen! Good thing you are reading all this before I hack on your table right? Have you and my dad gotten together at all since we were over? Talk to you soon, I am planning a trip to Memphis sometime over the summer.
Rob

i got the answer and im not even a mechanic. the soup is for you to eat while it takes you time to figure out and fix the problem. :sorry: just thought i'd add a little levity to these mechanic feuds. gerald

 

[realkingcobra]

i got the answer and im not even a mechanic. the soup is for you to eat while it takes you time to figure out and fix the problem. :sorry: just thought i'd add a little levity to these mechanic feuds. gerald

Chicken noodle at that, but I have to wait to eat it until I fix the broken slate

 

[realkingcobra]

To answer your question it is to place between a good slate and the broken pieces.

You see the moon, but miss the sunset Rob!

[/QUOTE]Not a bad use actually, below is what I do. Maybe we can each take something from this.[/QUOTE]

Don't you think you should have asked yourself something like..."self....don't you think Glen's fixed broken slates before?"...Naaa, I'm going to get him on this one....I just know I am!

Only to find out that I have fixed broken slates before

[/QUOTE]And so you know, the lower slate was checked for flat an stoned flat prior. Since mine is an antique, I did have to assure the lead for the retained nuts was not above the surface of the slate...[/QUOTE]


Such a waste of time Rob, to have to fine level the bottom slate so much...that you had to stone it for flat prior to placing the broken slate on top in order to repair it

Now...the real question for you Rob....is did YOU learn anything from me....as I certainly learned nothing from you on this subject!

You see, I don't need the bottom slate to be perfectly flat to use the soup cans, the soup cans are to be able to lift the slate up off the bottom slate, and hold it up high enough so that I can also work on the bottom side of the slate at the same time I'm working on the top side....unlike you, you can only work on one side.

With the broken slate elevated up, I can shim on top of my cans and level out the broken pieces of slate, match them flat with a straight edge, duct tape the crack on the bottom side to create a bottom, then fill the crack with super glue with out having it running straight through the crack onto the bottom slate. And these two pieces of broken slate go back together so close there's only a slight line to even tell they were broken.

So, I guess you just learned something from me for free

Glen..."GOD of mechanics, as YOU Rob....refer to me!"

Don't ask me such a stupid question again...as a way of trying to test me as a mechanic!!!

 

[realkingcobra]

Sounds like a good way to go shopping (are they beans for the campfire?)and do the work.

To answer your question it is to place between a good slate and the broken pieces.

Not a bad use actually, below is what I do. Maybe we can each take something from this. And so you know, the lower slate was checked for flat an stoned flat prior. Since mine is an antique, I did have to assure the lead for the retained nuts was not above the surface of the slate...

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Here's another little tidbit for you Rob, NEVER fix broken slate upside down, then turn it over and have to sand the topside flat. You ALWAYS fix it rightside up because if there's a flaw in it, you want to be able to straight edge flat the surface of the slate, that way the flaw is on the bottom side, where it really don't matter.

Glen

 

[TableTek]

Isn't that sweet, no I did not learn anything from your method. I do walk away a little disappointed though. The reason is simple, I was expecting so much more. What I did is use a measured flat surface as a start, the real fun is coming over the weekend. Your super glue fix is the plywood vs my aluminum. It works great in certain applications only. The crack in my slate fix extends through a rail bolt hole (antique table). You probably think you know a lot about cyanoacrylate, but I assure you that I know more. The glue seam is strong but brittle. The gap fill is slight (usually under 0.010) and the PSI for tension is around 5k# per in2. You need a lateral support since you will be side loading at the seam. Or maybe you were looking for a quick fix so you can get back on the highway?

 

[Majic]

I'm going into the store right now to buy 12 cans of soup, to use to fix this broken slate I'm working on....I'll let you figure out how the soup cans fit into the picture of repairing a broken slate if you figure it out, maybe you'll learn something...if not...well, then you're right back to where you were

I am betting a strap is involved with the cans on and under the slate.

 

[realkingcobra]

Nope, not this time but I'll post some pictures later on today so everyone can see

 

[realkingcobra]

Isn't that sweet, no I did not learn anything from your method. I do walk away a little disappointed though. The reason is simple, I was expecting so much more. What I did is use a measured flat surface as a start, the real fun is coming over the weekend. Your super glue fix is the plywood vs my aluminum. It works great in certain applications only. The crack in my slate fix extends through a rail bolt hole (antique table). You probably think you know a lot about cyanoacrylate, but I assure you that I know more. The glue seam is strong but brittle. The gap fill is slight (usually under 0.010) and the PSI for tension is around 5k# per in2. You need a lateral support since you will be side loading at the seam. Or maybe you were looking for a quick fix so you can get back on the highway?

Rob, let me ask you something. While the slate you're fixing was flat upside down, and the playing surface was matched up against a flat slate...did you ve to belt sand the break in the slate on the bottom side to get it perfectly flat as you so put it?

Glen

 

[TableTek]

Rob, let me ask you something. While the slate you're fixing was flat upside down, and the playing surface was matched up against a flat slate...did you ve to belt sand the break in the slate on the bottom side to get it perfectly flat as you so put it?

Glen

Nope, you will see shortly. Gotta get up for another antique job early so it will have to wait. I'll give you a clue, the final step is to hone the whole slate. I used my starrett 36" ground straight edge on all axis and was unable to see any light under (on the playing surface side).

 

[realkingcobra]

Nope, you will see shortly. Gotta get up for another antique job early so it will have to wait. I'll give you a clue, the final step is to hone the whole slate. I used my starrett 36" ground straight edge on all axis and was unable to see any light under (on the playing surface side).

But you did sand the bottom side of the slate...right? or am I just seeing what I think is sanding tracks

 

[TableTek]

I have yet to sand the top or bottom in that picture. I did however sand the bondo off of the edges of the crack, and fillet the top and bottom of said crack.