How do you pay table time?

DeadPoked

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You know what kind of occupation do all of you have to help pay table time? I am a Network Admin in the Air Force. Been in for four years and cannot wait Sept. 19th 2006. Let Freedom ring! Oh yeah that is my seperation date from the military BTW. I've done my time, +2, and now it is time to get out and make some real cash.
 
I gather you don't like Mountain Home AFB..... :) Would you rather be in the Middle East ??? :(
Or maybe Toule, Greenland ??? :)

Since the ".com" crash, you just might be better off in the USAF.
Unemployment is quite high in the tech field.

Troy...~~~ Father-in-Law was a 26 year career man in the USAF and proud of it !!!!!

DeadPoked said:
You know what kind of occupation do all of you have to help pay table time? I am a Network Admin in the Air Force. Been in for four years and cannot wait Sept. 19th 2006. Let Freedom ring! Oh yeah that is my seperation date from the military BTW. I've done my time, +2, and now it is time to get out and make some real cash.
 
Troy I've been to the Middle East and had a better time than I am having in Mountain Home. I plan on going back to the Middle East the first chance I get. I've had some f'ed up things happen to me since I've been in the Air Force. First of all I signed up for 6 years because I was planning on being like your father-in-law, a lifer. And I thought signing up for 6 would progress my career quicker.

My career field had a $60,000 re-enlistment bonus. Air Force cut that in April to zilch. If I would of signed up for 4, I would of been able to re-enlist in the desert for $60,000 tax free. Now I have jack shit.

When I first got to Mountain Home, I couldn't stay on base because I am an E-4 and there was no room in lodging. So I looked for places to rent and there were none. I ended up having to buy a house. It took a month for me to close and I had to stay in a hotel for that long. When it came time for Finance to reimburse me, they said they only would pay me for 10 days. So I had to pay $1300 out of pocket just after moving into a new house. And oh yeah it took Finance 3 months to start paying me my housing allowance.

This is just a few of many things that have made me never want to spend a day over 6 years in the military.
 
Me, Me, Me..... Money, Money, Money..... All the wrong reasons to enlist.
I don't think any one ever became rich enlisting in the military and rightfully so.
Son, it's called "service" for a reason.

Was the $60k the ONLY reason you enlisted for 6 years ???
Was the offer in writing ???
Did waiting for Finance "break" you ???
Were you on the front line in the Middle East taking fire ???

You are now a home owner, something many people NEVER achieve.
Being an E-4 in less than 4 years is not bad. Many don't make it.
Many more live in N. Korea or Iraq or Iran or ............ You don't.

My Father-in-Law left home numerous times telling his family nothing, NOTHING, about where he was being sent or for how long. One day in NM or AZ or VA or Japan, the next day --- GONE --- gone for maybe a week, gone for maybe a few months. GONE !!! The family never knew.

After his death, my Mother-in-Law was on her own. No (promised) medical coverage, no retirement benefits, NOTHING. Is she bitter ??? HELL NO!!! Just a few years ago ('99 I think) Clinton signed legislation restoring full medical benefits for widows of retired personnel. All she has to live on is a meager Social Security check. Is she bitter ??? HELL NO!!!

I wish you success in life.

Troy
DeadPoked said:
Troy I've been to the Middle East and had a better time than I am having in Mountain Home. I plan on going back to the Middle East the first chance I get. I've had some f'ed up things happen to me since I've been in the Air Force. First of all I signed up for 6 years because I was planning on being like your father-in-law, a lifer. And I thought signing up for 6 would progress my career quicker.

My career field had a $60,000 re-enlistment bonus. Air Force cut that in April to zilch. If I would of signed up for 4, I would of been able to re-enlist in the desert for $60,000 tax free. Now I have jack shit.

When I first got to Mountain Home, I couldn't stay on base because I am an E-4 and there was no room in lodging. So I looked for places to rent and there were none. I ended up having to buy a house. It took a month for me to close and I had to stay in a hotel for that long. When it came time for Finance to reimburse me, they said they only would pay me for 10 days. So I had to pay $1300 out of pocket just after moving into a new house. And oh yeah it took Finance 3 months to start paying me my housing allowance.

This is just a few of many things that have made me never want to spend a day over 6 years in the military.
 
Wow. Who in the hell are you? I did not know anything about the $60,000 re-enlistment bonus when I joined. But when your peers receive that and then you get it taken from you, you would not be happy either.

Did waiting for Finance to pay me for living off-base and having to pay $1300 for a hotel bill that I should of got reimbursed for? YOU'RE FUCKING RIGHT IT DID!

Your Father-in-law this and that, what service have you done? Please let me know what service you have done for your country? You obviously know nothing about the military. You would know that we do not have troops in N. Korea or Iran. I've been all over the Middle East and to "South" Korea, so don't fucking lecture me about service!

Thanks for hijacking my thread and making it pointless jackass.
 
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To any and all who've done any military service, I have limitless respect for you and tremendous gratitude.

Returning to the thread subject, though, the money that enables me to pay for table time was earned as a senior business analyst in the bond trading business.
 
sjm said:
senior business analyst in the bond trading business.

SJM,
We're not buying that story, we think your income is derived from your "custom 2-piece pool cue". From what I've heard, if SJM wants to play some pool, you should sprint in the opposite direction (if you like your money). :) :) :) :)

My income is derived from mowing lawns and washing dishes (at least if I do enough of these, my wife will distribute a little cash for me to play).
 
DeadPoked said:
You know what kind of occupation do all of you have to help pay table time? I am a Network Admin in the Air Force. Been in for four years and cannot wait Sept. 19th 2006. Let Freedom ring! Oh yeah that is my seperation date from the military BTW. I've done my time, +2, and now it is time to get out and make some real cash.

Since 1992 till 2000 I was most of the time(close to 6 years) working in pool hauses. But I did spent lots of money for pool time anyway. About a year ago I bought a pool table and that was the best choice of all.
 
Williebetmore said:
SJM,
We're not buying that story, we think your income is derived from your "custom 2-piece pool cue". From what I've heard, if SJM wants to play some pool, you should sprint in the opposite direction (if you like your money). :) :) :) :)

My income is derived from mowing lawns and washing dishes (at least if I do enough of these, my wife will distribute a little cash for me to play).

You're too kind, Willie. Unfortunately, I play for 20 a set, a stake quite appropriate for my talent level. That means I would need to win 50,000 consecutive sets of nine ball to make a million at it. The math says that, based on ten sets a day, seven days a week, putting together such a streak would take me about 14 years.

Think I better stick to the bond trading business to keep my wallet full.
 
sjm said:
You're too kind, Willie. Unfortunately, I play for 20 a set, a stake quite appropriate for my talent level. That means I would need to win 50,000 consecutive sets of nine ball to make a million at it. .

SJM,
Well then, next time you are in town, we'll up the stakes to $20 a game; we can play a set to 50,000 ahead. I'll play you even, but I'm thinking the wife will not let me post the cash up front (would probably cause the light to collapse anyway if we put it there).
 
I think I need to stick to $20 a set. The other night I got careless. I'd already won $60 off a guy giving him the wild eight. Then he pulls out a wad of cash with a lot of hundreds. So I told him I'd play him for one of those. He reluctantly agrees. Race to 5 and he gets two 8 balls on the break even with me putting them right behind the 1. Then he just kept getting ridiculous roll after roll. Match went hill and hill and he won, then the poolhall closed. I'll get him back. Guy has a lot of gamble to him.
 
DeadPoked- With all do respect, you are thinking the wrong way about your AF career. I've been Active since 15Jun99, made Staff and sewed on at my 4 year, 1 month and 3 day mark. Do you think that you are the only person that has had a tough time with the Finance Section? What have you done to deserve a $60,000 re-enlistment? When you PCS's to your current base and checked into a hotel or billiting, did you ever think to ask how many days you will be reimbursed for? I'm sorry, paying you GOV Travel Card back the $1,300 is on you, you should have known how many days you had. You bought a house because you settled for one and didn't look into the right channel to get reimbursed for your billiting until a home came available. Your current base isn't the Air Force, put in for orders, apply for Korea, any remote with a follow on to another base (Just not Scott AFB) I'm not trying to say you're wrong, but just relax, it happens to a lot of us. Just know your rights and what's available to you.
Remember...Service Before Self, Integritiy, Excellence in all we Do!
Take care and good luck,
Zim
 
Zim I am sick of talking about this. With Finance especially! My supervisor's wanted me to take this to IG. I finally got so sick of messing with it that I just paid the bill and shut up about it. Talking about it to someone on a message board who has no idea of the situation I am in is pointless.

I've been in for four years Zim, I know what the Air Force is all about. And 6 years is enough for me. I have a job lined up to go back to the Middle East and be a contractor. The Air Force is steadily contracting my job to civilians as it is, so when I get out there will be many job openings for me.

I went to Korea for the RSO&I exercise. When I found out I got orders to Mtn. Home, I tried taking a remote to Korea. They said it was too late. I would of liked to have gone back. Oh well.
 
DeadPoked said:
Zim I am sick of talking about this. With Finance especially! My supervisor's wanted me to take this to IG. I finally got so sick of messing with it that I just paid the bill and shut up about it. Talking about it to someone on a message board who has no idea of the situation I am in is pointless.
I've been in for four years Zim, I know what the Air Force is all about. And 6 years is enough for me. I have a job lined up to go back to the Middle East and be a contractor. The Air Force is steadily contracting my job to civilians as it is, so when I get out there will be many job openings for me.
I went to Korea for the RSO&I exercise. When I found out I got orders to Mtn. Home, I tried taking a remote to Korea. They said it was too late. I would of liked to have gone back. Oh well.
Sorry to hear about your situation, really! I'm a 2T1, Vehicle Operator/Dispatcher. I was stationed in Germany 99-02, Korea 02-03, now Scott AFB in Illinois, with plans to go to Kadena, Japan in 06 or 07. Best of luck with your choices!
Zim
 
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Hey Deadpoked,

My situation is much like Zims. I've been in the Air Force since Feb 98'. I too made Staff at the 4 year point (and will hopefully make Tech next year). Have you found out if you made Staff this time around? The odds are probably very good for you, so that will be a nice "pay" jump for you.

The tech field SUCKS on the outside, but of course that can change in an instant. One benefit you will have is your military experience, but where is your education at? Have you completed your Associate's/Bachelor's/Master's degrees. The truth is, these pieces of paper are necessary to make a decent living on the outside, unless you have a talent for being an entrepreneur of some sort. Let me also contradict myself a bit. I have a friend here in DC who graduated from Virginia Tech with a Computer Science degree, and he had to work at Home Depot for 1.5 years before he could find a job in his career. Nothing wrong with a job at Home Depot by any means, it's a great company..my good friend in TN has been working there for 10 years and loves it..but I'm making the point that it seems as if everyone and their mother wants to work in computers, so you have to have things on your resume' that make you stand out against other IT applicants.

Attitude is EVERYTHING in the Air Force. I've worked with so many people who were just always miserable.....constantly referring to the conclusions they have drawn that when they get out of the Air Force life will be so much better..no more bs...etc..etc........WRONG. In any job you're going to have to put up with BS, with people you don't always get along with, with messed up people in Human Resources who are slow to process this request, or that voucher...it's not just the Air Force. I've just come to the conclusion that these folks I mentioned will always be miserable wherever...because to them the grass is always greener on the other side and they can't appreciate what they have.

An example of that, is two Staff Sergeants (myself being one), one Master Sergeant, and several E-4's were chosen to drive buses for the last year in the DC area as an augmentee duty. Our drivers on base were deployed to Iraq for six months at a pop supporting the army, and when they returned other drivers would go, so they needed us as augmentees. Well, of course our first questions as one Senior NCO (very sharp person), two junior NCO's, and several E4's were.....why aren't the junior Airmen doing this? Because they're all in upgrade training for their particular skill levels and couldn't be taken out. We all had the bad attitudes at first of, "I didn't join the Air Force to drive buses!" or "If I wanted to be a Vehicle Operator I would have enlisted in this career field", etc, etc. But, we ended up driving some beautiful Air Force buses (believe it or not, the huge ones with the brand new AF logo) around DC in support of the USAF Honor Guard and the USAF Band...driving them to concerts and ceremonies, particularly many many runs to Arlington Cemetary honoring our dead. Yes, we were just drivers...but I decided to change my attitude to one of "Hey..I'm safe here in DC (for the most part) and not in Iraq. I come home everynight to my beautiful wife. I'm doing my little part to help honor our dead Airmen, even if just transporting the Honor Guardsmen. It's not so bad, in fact, it's a privilege." Once I gave it a positive outlook, I had a ball driving buses. In fact, once I went back to my desk job...I kind of missed it a little bit. I think most of the others took that same attitude and had a good time as well. When life gives you lemons, make lemonade right?

I'm close to finishing my Bachelor's and I'm transitioning from active duty to taking a commission in the Air Force reserve once my current enlistment is up. I live in DC and love it (believe it or not) and would like to get into some kind of government/civil service job...but obviously not burn my bridges with the Air Force.

So, my advice to you. If you're deadset on getting out and you're sure the Air Force isn't for you any longer then prepare yourself for the transition (which so many folks refuse to do). Over the next two years get as much education as you can in the particular career you want to get into. Remember, the Air Force will pay 100% tuition up to 1 Bachelor's degree and 1 Master's degree as well as one Professional Certificate. So, if you want a Professional Certificate of some kind in computers, those can be expensive...so use the Air Force as a way to pay for it. Get your Certificate, then your Associate's....and Bachelor's if you can.

Also, look into a government/civil service job. You will already have an advantage over other applicants because of your time in the service. I believe you can go to www.usajobs.com to start learning a little bit about how to apply, etc. Just let me know if you have anymore questions.

Thank you Deadpoked and Zim for serving. It's nice to see my fellow Airmen on here posting. What is it with the Air Force being full of good pool players? Maybe we're not busy enough or something..I don't know. :) Zim, I think we were both stationed at Hurlburt at one time or another. You knew Andy didn't you? Did you know that he passed away? I don't know if many knew it, but Andy was a retired Major from the Air Force.

Take care, and let me know if you have any questions.

Matt
 
Matt- good post! Thanks for giving my career field a plug (bus driver) haha!! Believe it or not, my career field has a major role in the AF. How else would passengers and cargo move from A to B? I too am looking at the Reserve/Guard options and a full time DoD/Civil Service job. I have a wife that is Active Duty and has 8 years to retirement, so me getting out wont hurt us a bit. My career field is taking a turn for (IMO) the worse. We are basically being contracted by the ARMY to conduct Convoy Operations and it's taking most of our career field to do it. I have a wife, a step son and a baby due any day, I want to be around to be a husband and a father...ohh, and a pool player and business owner! haha!
Matt, if you're ever in my area (Scott AFB), look me up!
Zim
 
Zims Rack said:
Matt- good post! Thanks for giving my career field a plug (bus driver) haha!! Believe it or not, my career field has a major role in the AF. How else would passengers and cargo move from A to B? I too am looking at the Reserve/Guard options and a full time DoD/Civil Service job. I have a wife that is Active Duty and has 8 years to retirement, so me getting out wont hurt us a bit. My career field is taking a turn for (IMO) the worse. We are basically being contracted by the ARMY to conduct Convoy Operations and it's taking most of our career field to do it. I have a wife, a step son and a baby due any day, I want to be around to be a husband and a father...ohh, and a pool player and business owner! haha!
Matt, if you're ever in my area (Scott AFB), look me up!
Zim

Hi Zim! Thanks. Yeah, you 2T guys have it rough to say the least. They took a bunch of brand new drivers/members of the Air Force and put them in Iraq driving tanks and manning guns on top. Well, they went to Kuwait first, trained for two months and then went to Iraq for 4. Not what they signed up for, but we do what we have to. Needless to say, hearing their stories is interesting, sad, and really "grew" them up in a short time.

My wife is a journalist by trade, but does some consulting work for a large company (Atlantic Media) in DC and is really excelling at her career. Right now though, she's at home with our newborn (almost 2 weeks old) but will be back at work in about 3 months. My enlistment is up in April of 2007, but I'm doing my best to ride my time out here in DC if I can help it. We're buying a house next year, and I'm plugging away at school...so if everything goes as planned I'll be out of active duty Air Force when my time is up with hopefully a Master's degree. Obviously things can change, so in the meantime I'm still trying to make E6 in case I do stay in.

Your career field is tough, and the sad thing is you can't retrain out unless you want to be dorm manager. I had a buddy (TSgt select) in dispatch who just did that and runs a dorm in Korea. His name is SSgt Pringle...he may have been in Korea around the same time you were. Not sure.

I too would like to get into Civil Service, and be around to be a husband and father....as well as pool player, and I'd like to get into some kind of side business...just not sure what yet. I've seen you really build your internet business up over the past few years. Has it been as rewarding as you have expected? I would like to get into a business that I could do just for fun, and if I made a little money that wouldn't hurt either..but I wouldn't have to DEPEND on it, you know?

If I'm ever around Scott AFB I will definitely look you up.

Matt
 
TSgt Pringle...haha!! Yes, I know him! We were TDY at PSAB around Fall of 2000, then bumped into each other at Osan Korea! Small world isn't it?? WoW! I am also looking at Special Duties, but still plan to get out and do the DoD and Reserve thing. Congrats on the baby! Boy/Girl, name? We are due 2Sept, but hopefully anytime now!
I can honestly say that financially, my business does better Overseas. To much competition here in the US. However, I've added some angles this year. I'm doing cue repair now and am a Certified Instructor. Both of these will do well, as well as sales, Overseas. We are trying to get to Kadena soon! I love my business and like you said, don't count on it for income. Just making a little pocket change, helping those that I can save a buck or two and really, really enjoy it. I just signed up 2 Amn for lessons starting late September (needed a couple of paydays to save up, haha!) Thanks for noticing the website and business changes! If you have some photos of yourself (preferably playing pool) email them to me. I'm adding a "Friends of Zim's" page in the near future. I have plans to start playing on the Midwest 9Ball Tour in 2005. Keep in touch!
Zim
 
Yeah, Pringle made Tech. He's a really good guy and I was happy for him. Cue repair, that's cool. My pal Don Purdy does that. I've been playing for about 15 years off and on....seriously for about 10 (with little breaks). Unfortunately for the last year or so, I've only played at a sub par speed (for me)..because I rarely get in to play. Now, with our new daughter, and night classes I don't know when I'll get to play again, but I still love the game and enjoy keeping up on these boards.....so we'll see what happens. First things first, right? Hopefully I'll get to make a run to Don P's house for the day sometime soon to shoot some one hole and eat fried Octopus...hahaha...we'll see if he reads this one.

Take care Zim!
 
I've talked to the Purdman a few times over emails and PM's. He seems to be a great guy! He's past on plenty of tips of the trade when it comes to cue repair and sales. Someday we'll make it to the DC area!

Good luck with everything you set out to do, talk to you soon,
Zim
 
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