How do you play this common shot?

2rgrbn said:
The tables I played were at Hard Times (relatively fast) holding the cue on the end of the table was critical to the safe being a good play when this safe failed to end in a reasonable play was in cases that did not throw the nine enough for it to get the second to rail with enough angle to not leave a shot at the corner. Even in cases where the execution was off it left the opponent with a similar shot to the one that I started with. My final call after spending the night working on it would be to practice the bank until you are comfortable with shooting it and play the speed to possibly end up with the diagram below if you miss. This is not the only play and it may not be the best but it is what I would do. The last diagram is the safe I would play and this diagram is the shot with insurance that I would if I was going for it.

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This shows the ball missing the actual idea is to make the ball with tthis being the result (hopefully) if you miss.
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This is now the shot I'm gonna go with. Try to make it, but err on the short side with the correct speed you've shown.

Thanks for all the input you funky nut jobs. I just grew a 1/4 ball.
Carry on.
 
KoolKat9Lives said:
This is now the shot I'm gonna go with. Try to make it, but err on the short side with the correct speed you've shown...Carry on.
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Correct: It is called missing on the 'Pro side'
KoolKat9Lives said:
... I just grew a 1/4 ball.
Carry on.
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Ahh yes, but was it sideways, or vertical?
 
Black-Balled said:
Correct: It is called missing on the 'Pro side'
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Call it what you want, but missing on one side or the other by a millimeter or a foot is still a miss, go sit down and hope you get another chance.

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back to the drawing board

Going to work on this one some more.

There are some good shots shown in this thread,methinks I need to try a few tonight.
 
I practiced this shot for a while on my table which is a 9' GC4 with 4.5" pockets.

If anyone in this thread is banking this shot in 9/10 on similar equipment, I wanna see it on video to believe it. Not saying you're not, I'm just really skeptical. Bank pool is one of my favorite games and my % is nowhere close to a legit 9/10. If you are 9/10 from here on the straight-back, you should have been in the Derby Banks Div - you're missing out.

The best result I got long-haul (safe vs win) was kicking behind the OB. I'm kicking into the side 2 or 3 out of 10 and sending the OB to the short rail the rest (CB sticking where the OB sits). I could def put it on video.

Banking a 2-way shot sends the CB off and I'm not a fan of that. The kick is quite pretty, actually....CB sticks...OB either slides into the side or sticks on the "Brunswick" on the short rail.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
I practiced this shot for a while on my table which is a 9' GC4 with 4.5" pockets.

If anyone in this thread is banking this shot in 9/10 on similar equipment, I wanna see it on video to believe it. Not saying you're not, I'm just really skeptical. Bank pool is one of my favorite games and my % is nowhere close to a legit 9/10. If you are 9/10 from here on the straight-back, you should have been in the Derby Banks Div - you're missing out.

The best result I got long-haul (safe vs win) was kicking behind the OB. I'm kicking into the side 2 or 3 out of 10 and sending the OB to the short rail the rest (CB sticking where the OB sits). I could def put it on video.

Banking a 2-way shot sends the CB off and I'm not a fan of that. The kick is quite pretty, actually....CB sticks...OB either slides into the side or sticks on the "Brunswick" on the short rail.
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The bank % was around 50 /50 I shot it for 20-30 minutes straight near the end of this time period I was making it nearly every time. I would say 50% is a reasonable number for a good player. Anywhere from 4 - 6 out of 10. The only argument I have against the kick is with the balls dead in line it is difficult to get a full enough hit on the nine for the cue ball to hold. It is a logical shot but there is just as much potential to error . You have to just miss the nine then come off of the rail at an angle (in 5 or so inches) to hit the nine full, if you dont get it full it is hard to hold the cue and if you get it 80% full(Apx) the nine is likely to end up in front of the hole. So again I think we are back to playing this shot according to your individual strengths, I have seen a lot of good advice given by Spiderwebcomm on here so I am hesitant to doubt his results. I think for the original poster I would take from this all the things that make reasonable sense to you and vigorously practice them by doing that you will find what works for you. In addition this common shot will more likely have subtle differences when encountered in real life those differences are significant in a shot like this especially when it comes to the consideration of banking -vs- cutting. If the nine is 6" off of the rail and the balls are offset 1.5" from one another an accurate kick and cue ball control is much easier then if the balls are dead in line. I really think this is a case by case decision based on the subtle variations.
 
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SpiderWebComm said:
I practiced this shot for a while on my table which is a 9' GC4 with 4.5" pockets.

If anyone in this thread is banking this shot in 9/10 on similar equipment, I wanna see it on video to believe it. Not saying you're not, I'm just really skeptical. Bank pool is one of my favorite games and my % is nowhere close to a legit 9/10. If you are 9/10 from here on the straight-back, you should have been in the Derby Banks Div - you're missing out.

The best result I got long-haul (safe vs win) was kicking behind the OB. I'm kicking into the side 2 or 3 out of 10 and sending the OB to the short rail the rest (CB sticking where the OB sits). I could def put it on video.

Banking a 2-way shot sends the CB off and I'm not a fan of that. The kick is quite pretty, actually....CB sticks...OB either slides into the side or sticks on the "Brunswick" on the short rail.
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Is this what you're describing? (my angles may be off a hair, but go with it)

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No, just kick directly behind the 9-ball with low left or right (depending on which side). Your track lines from there are accurate. I can stick the CB every time until I get bored. That's the big advantage with this shot. You either A) WIN or B) Give whoever you're shooting a harder shot in return.

2rg: If you're banking that in on nearly every shot on 9' with 4.5 or below pockets, that's mega strong. I'm tipping my hat to you. If someone banks it in 60%, make that 30% when it REAAAAAAALLY counts.
 
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Dang Spidey, that's a tight squeeze. I'm going to head out at within the hour and play with this.

In my layout, there's 3.75 inches behind the 9 ball (using 1 & 2/3 balls in this example as the measuring stick), and the cue is 5 inches tops off the head rail.


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KoolKat9Lives said:
Is this what you're describing? (my angles may be off a hair, but go with it)

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You're just begging to scratch on this shot. It's so easy to carom right into the lower-right corner. If you try to scratch, you'll never do it but if you're trying to hit it full in the face, you'll scratch every time.
 
2rgrbn said:
The bank % was around 50 /50 I shot it for 20-30 minutes straight near the end of this time period I was making it nearly every time. I would say 50% is a reasonable number for a good player. Anywhere from 4 - 6 out of 10. The only argument I have against the kick is with the balls dead in line it is difficult to get a full enough hit on the nine for the cue ball to hold. It is a logical shot but there is just as much potential to error . You have to just miss the nine then come off of the rail at an angle (in 5 or so inches) to hit the nine full, if you dont get it full it is hard to hold the cue and if you get it 80% full(Apx) the nine is likely to end up in front of the hole. So again I think we are back to playing this shot according to your individual strengths, I have seen a lot of good advice given by Spiderwebcomm on here so I am hesitant to doubt his results. I think for the original poster I would take from this all the things that make reasonable sense to you and vigorously practice them by doing that you will find what works for you. In addition this common shot will more likely have subtle differences when encountered in real life those differences are significant in a shot like this especially when it comes to the consideration of banking -vs- cutting. If the nine is 6" off of the rail and the balls are offset 1.5" from one another an accurate kick and cue ball control is much easier then if the balls are dead in line. I really think this is a case by case decision based on the subtle variations.
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That's well said.

You're right, I'm real comfy with that shot but someone else may not be. This entire thread is about playing within your means. I know people love to say "gooo for the wiiiin!!!" but if they were playing someone and their life depended on it, going for the win sometimes means making sure you're not losing.

I was shooting that shot dead-on, but I wasn't measuring how far off the rail. It's very possible I was placing the OB more off the rail than it should have been.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
No, just kick directly behind the 9-ball with low left or right (depending on which side). Your track lines from there are accurate. I can stick the CB every time until I get bored. That's the big advantage with this shot. You either A) WIN or B) Give whoever you're shooting a harder shot in return.

2rg: If you're banking that in on nearly every shot on 9' with 4.5 or below pockets, that's mega strong. I'm tipping my hat to you. If someone banks it in 60%, make that 30% when it REAAAAAAALLY counts.
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I would agree with this I was making it with regularity because I was shooting it for 30 minutes straight. In a practice scenerio.
 
There are times to play safe, and there are times to grow a sack...this would be a sack instance. What would make you more satisfied, banking it in even if it went an extra rail or two, or leaving your opponent a hard bank shot (AT BEST). Even if he misses the bank or cut he is left, the satisfaction of nutting the bank, or even the ease of mind of sh*tting it in still outweighs the other IMO. One other thing to keep in mind is who you are playing. If they can't cut or bank long distance then MAYBE the safe is better. I would have to agree with some other posts, I love it when people play safe on this, that means I get to go to the table with a chance to win the game.
 
CharlesUFarley said:
Are you going to Hard Times today, 2rgrbn?
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I probably can (this evening), I was planning on going to "Boomers" on Del Amo which is a bar right down the road Blackjef called me and is playing league there tonight.
 
I have played the Mon. Night 8 ball tourney at Boomers a coupla times. We have almost certainly run into each other b4. What's your name?
 
CharlesUFarley said:
I have played the Mon. Night 8 ball tourney at Boomers a coupla times. We have almost certainly run into each other b4. What's your name?
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Colby, no doubt if you play that tourny you have ran into me. I'm the guy with great stroke and no game, that is a tough tournament. Sorry about the thread hijack, come down tonight we'll play some.
 
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CharlesUFarley said:
Are you going to Hard Times today, 2rgrbn?
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CharlesUFarley (nice name btw ;) ), if you catch up with 2rgrbn, ask him to set this shot up, when he's warm - but not after practing it - and let's see how many he cuts in outta 10. My bus is heading out shortly and I'll tinker too.

I'm not busting on your nuggets 2rbrgn, just asking to take a little peep up your skirt (if ya know what I mean ;) )

I like your "summary post" 2rbrgn. Like Spidey said, well written.
 
KoolKat9Lives said:
CharlesUFarley (nice name btw ;) ), if you catch up with 2rgrbn, ask him to set this shot up, when he's warm - but not after practing it - and let's see how many he cuts in outta 10. My bus is heading out shortly and I'll tinker too.

I'm not busting on your nuggets 2rbrgn, just asking to take a little peep up your skirt (if ya know what I mean ;) )

I like your "summary post" 2rbrgn. Like Spidey said, well written.
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I took the idea for the name from the movie Pump Up The Volume, starring Christian Slater. "Chuck U Farley....if you swap the C and the F it takes on a different attitude.
 
CharlesUFarley said:
I took the idea for the name from the movie Pump Up The Volume, starring Christian Slater. "Chuck U Farley....if you swap the C and the F it takes on a different attitude.
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I don't know Chuck but we can put a little cash up so everyone can look up my skirt. I am not a champion but I do play, I learned years ago that a bar box was more my home more then a 9'. I have had a few decent years as a player and I've had my ass handed to me. I do think I have better then average knowledge of the game and it depends on which circle I am traveling as to whether I am a good player or not against the pro's I'm a dink against the dinks I'm a pro.
 
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