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klockdoc

klockdoc

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I just left a known traveling tournament where I placed 7/8. I was talking to a friend of mine that owns a bar where a lot of BIG players play for BIG bucks. (in the 10,000's)

He said that the local player there, (player A), who is known for gambling a large amounts of money, just played a guy with the following spot;

Breaks
Five
and the last five

Race to 9 for 5 big ones edited : (This is played on a bar table)

Now this gentleman, (player A), plays about 6 level APA.

My question is: How good do you think this other guy has to be to give YOU this spot and still win? (Based on your ability being the same level of play)
 
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klockdoc said:
I just left a known traveling tournament where I placed 7/8. I was talking to a friend of mine that owns a bar where a lot of BIG players play for BIG bucks. (in the 10,000's)

He said that the local player there, (player A), who is known for gambling a large amounts of money, just played a guy with the following spot;

Breaks
Five
and the last five

Race to 9 for 5 big ones

Now this gentleman, (player A), plays about 6 level APA.

My question is: How good do you think this other guy has to be to give YOU this spot and still win? (Based on your ability being the same level of play)
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I would take that spot from anyone.

I wouldn't win all of the time, but I would give it a try. I think I could win against very strong players 25 - 50% of the time with that spot, given that I have the break.
 
JDB said:
I would take that spot from anyone.

I wouldn't win all of the time, but I would give it a try. I think I could win against very strong players 25 - 50% of the time with that spot, given that I have the break.
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So did he. But, remember, it is a race to 9. If you only win 45% of the time, you lose!
 
klockdoc said:
I just left a known traveling tournament where I placed 7/8. I was talking to a friend of mine that owns a bar where a lot of BIG players play for BIG bucks. (in the 10,000's)

He said that the local player there, (player A), who is known for gambling a large amounts of money, just played a guy with the following spot;

Breaks
Five
and the last five

Race to 9 for 5 big ones

Now this gentleman, (player A), plays about 6 level APA.

My question is: How good do you think this other guy has to be to give YOU this spot and still win? (Based on your ability being the same level of play)
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I don't believe anybody could beat me with that spot on a bar table. And I would go broke believing it....

...But...

I have lost at this game against a top player in Denver. I played worse then than I do now, but still, I didn't think I could lose then....and I did.

Then I was an APA 7, now I'm still an APA 7, but me (now) could probably give me (then) this spot.

The APA 7 has got to be the biggest skill range in the history of handicaps for all sports.

Cheers,
RC
 
klockdoc said:
I just left a known traveling tournament where I placed 7/8. I was talking to a friend of mine that owns a bar where a lot of BIG players play for BIG bucks. (in the 10,000's)

He said that the local player there, (player A), who is known for gambling a large amounts of money, just played a guy with the following spot;

Breaks
Five
and the last five

Race to 9 for 5 big ones

Now this gentleman, (player A), plays about 6 level APA.

My question is: How good do you think this other guy has to be to give YOU this spot and still win? (Based on your ability being the same level of play)
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Apparently not very good; don't even know what that spot means...must be a 9 ball thing. Biggest spot I ever gave was 18 strokes in a 9 hole league (league max of 2 strokes a hole). That was with points on the line for both match and stroke play.....won both BTW, shooting 34 to his 55 :)

Since I rarely play any 9 ball, I would probably need that spot from most on this board. I play APA 8 ball (played tonight), won 3-1 in 5 innings....if that means anything?! My loss was an 8ball outta turn too....OUCH. Like I said, I'm not a good player, but I can make balls, and I just try not to hook myself....usually works out for me, until I run into a VERY defensive player....
 
The APA 7 has got to be the biggest skill range in the history of handicaps for all sports.

Cheers,
RC[/QUOTE]

how true....the best player in oour area plays as an apa 7 in 8 ball, and there aren't really any other apa players that can touch him, but other 7's split with each other, and lose to 6's and sometimes 5's (due to the spot) etc. Some on this board just hear APA 7, and think, yeah, another APA 7....big deal.
 
I am an APA 9 and I regularly get weight from APA 5s. You figure it out.

As for the guy getting the last five - statisically if a player doesn't break well then they either don't get a shot on the first open ball OR they don't achieve good layouts to run the first four balls. The break is very deceptive and can work against you big time.

Generally true APA 7s are pretty easy marks for road players. Most of them are decent enough but they are used to managing the table against weaker players rather than facing tough competition. At least that was my experience in the APA. And then there are the Killer 5's I mentioned above.

John
 
I dont think I could lose maybe on a tight tight tight table against a world champion. I would be an ass about the rack.

Eric.
 
Wow

I would take that spot from anyone you would be crazy not to.I mean if you changed it to the ghost I would take it and you know if you miss your done.Yes I would be sweating the rack everytime.;)
 
I would take this spot from just about anyone minus a few champions...but you better play good to beat a champion...i have seen some crazy spots before where you think you had the nuts and you just didnt.

I have turned down the 6 out/winner breaks before.
I have turned down the wild 4, 6, 8 and the breaks before.
I have turned down 15 to 5 one pocket before.

and glad I did in all three occasions.
 
klockdoc said:
I just left a known traveling tournament where I placed 7/8. I was talking to a friend of mine that owns a bar where a lot of BIG players play for BIG bucks. (in the 10,000's)

He said that the local player there, (player A), who is known for gambling a large amounts of money, just played a guy with the following spot;

Breaks
Five
and the last five

Race to 9 for 5 big ones edited : (This is played on a bar table)

Now this gentleman, (player A), plays about 6 level APA.

My question is: How good do you think this other guy has to be to give YOU this spot and still win? (Based on your ability being the same level of play)
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Is "five" and "the last five" the same as "the five out"?

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Is "five" and "the last five" the same as "the five out"?

pj
chgo
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The five is the 5-ball.

The last five are the last 5 balls left on the table, which may or may not include the 5-ball.

The 5-out is usually the 5, 6, 7, 8, & 9.


So, if for some reason, the 1, 2, 3, 4 & 9 are the only balls left on the table, you can see that only one of those spots come into play.

Fred
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Is "five" and "the last five" the same as "the five out"?

pj
chgo
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No.
Say You make the 6,7,8 on the break. Then you would still have the 5 as a spot, but your last five would be the 9,5,4,3,& 2. Hopefully you have a shot on the 1.
 
I guess I would accept this from anyone...

But, I can play hopeless one day, and play like Stevie Wonder the next day.

I once got the 7 from Nick van den Berg, and lost 9 - 7, and that was on a good day. Guess he would have crunched me today with the 7, but with the breaks and five and out: "bring em' on!"
 
I am no superstar but that bet is mine all day long. Unless the player has the ability to run out the set he will lose. Rack your own (courtesy of Joe Tucker) and he won't ever get out of his chair with a spot like that. To give that spot you need to be a world champion or play world chumps. I can think of 2 or 3 guys that would take that action for 5 to 10k a set. Guaranteed.
 
That depends how I'm breaking. If I'm making a ball on the break, then I think I could likely win against a pro with this spot. If I'm not, I'm sure every rack would go one of two ways: 1)it's wide open after the break and the pro runs out, or 2)it's not wide open, the pro plays safe, I lose the safety battle, and the pro runs out. Against a good enough player I wouldn't necessarily win any rack that I don't run out, and I can't run out without making a ball on the break.

Now, tell me I also have ball in hand after the break, and I'll take on Efren.

-Andrew
 
Sl6

I couldn't give a SL6 that much but most of the one's around here I give em the 7 8 ,probally a little more.
 
I just had to re read that.

That's a massive spot; no way would I ever be able to compete with that.

A solid SL6 on a bar table can do a lot of damage, IMO.
 
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