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Russ, what is wrong with Chinese labor?

Matt,

Worked for many years representing a firm formerly owned and operated by a well known English audio company. As it is in most cases involving audio electronics in the 90's, the company moved production to China. The end product not only was better made but performed at an equal or higher level. The reliability also went up. Kudos to the Chinese and their work ethic. Are they ethical to their employees? Are they paid a reasonable wage? Not questions I can answer. All I know is John and Karen make a first class product at a reasonable price. What more can people want?

Lyn
 
Excellent cases offering top notch protection and options, at a fair price.

What is not to like.

AJM
 
I recently bought a JB rugged 3x6 to replace a sterling wave case because they have the same interior design. The wave case exterior has begun to wear and the faux leather exterior is peeling, but the interior is showing no signs of giving out. If the nylon exterior of the JB rugged holds up better, which I expect it will, I will be using the new case for a long time.
 
Are you going to set up at Midwest in Olathe nxt week??

No I won't be there. Maybe, I don't know, most likely not. We have some big shows coming up and not a lot of time to get ready. Orders are through the roof right now so it's tight.

Unfortunately because I love going to Shooters - one of the best pool rooms on the planet - and I have been to a lot of them around the planet :-)
 
No I won't be there. Maybe, I don't know, most likely not. We have some big shows coming up and not a lot of time to get ready. Orders are through the roof right now so it's tight.

Unfortunately because I love going to Shooters - one of the best pool rooms on the planet - and I have been to a lot of them around the planet :-)
After chekin' the weather i'm probably gonna store home. Snow(lot) this weekend and cold all next week. Gonna pass. Have a good one, thanx.
 
But you own a case where the actual case part, the interior, was made with Chinese labor.

And it is collasping downwards now every time I put butts/shafts into my case, so..... ???

That may be coloring my perception a little, to be fair.
 
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Send me pictures and I can probably give you some advice on how to fix it.

I would have contacted you long ago, but you blocked me on Facebook, just like everyone else who ever disagreed respectfully with you on any subject.

To show you I am not a completely salty barstard, I will give some feedback of a constructive sort.. From what I remember when I put the new interior in, the stuffing at the top of the case has been pushed downwards over a period of time by taking butts/shafts in and out.. This might be preventable during manufacture by stuffing the interior chambers with whatever stuffing you use, evening it out, then running a few lines of horizontal stitching to keep the stuffing "compartmentalized", so over the long term, the stuffing cannot get pushed downwards past a certain point. And make sure the first horizontal line is no more than 2-3 inches from the top of the case.

You may have already made these sorts of adjustments to the interior. If so, ignore my comment.

And..... We didn't get to play that DCC matchup.. :sorry: Understandable, because the Horseshoe had f*ckall space for vendors period. And likely, it won't be any better next year.

And don't mind me about the USA labor versus Chinese labor thing... It's just a personal preference of mine. I understand there are reasons for huge businesses to export labor to China, but it's a little painful to see small businesses do the same.

If both big and small companies export manufacturing to China over the long term, I guess Americans will all either need to wait tables or be IT professionals working on military/government contracts, that can't be exported due to security concerns. Because programming labor is certainly being exported to foreign countries.

Seems to me, more and more sectors of the American economy are finding ways to export labor to countries with cheaper labor, while selling the finished product back to Americans.
 
I bought mine with the expectation to only use it as a travel case, due to the extra protection, especially the zippers that fully close the top, as opposed to snap or buckles that can open.

But after about 2 days it became and remains my daily case. It's great!
 
I would have contacted you long ago, but you blocked me on Facebook, just like everyone else who ever disagreed respectfully with you on any subject.

To show you I am not a completely salty barstard, I will give some feedback of a constructive sort.. From what I remember when I put the new interior in, the stuffing at the top of the case has been pushed downwards over a period of time by taking butts/shafts in and out.. This might be preventable during manufacture by stuffing the interior chambers with whatever stuffing you use, evening it out, then running a few lines of horizontal stitching to keep the stuffing "compartmentalized", so over the long term, the stuffing cannot get pushed downwards past a certain point. And make sure the first horizontal line is no more than 2-3 inches from the top of the case.

You may have already made these sorts of adjustments to the interior. If so, ignore my comment.

And..... We didn't get to play that DCC matchup.. :sorry: Understandable, because the Horseshoe had f*ckall space for vendors period. And likely, it won't be any better next year.

And don't mind me about the USA labor versus Chinese labor thing... It's just a personal preference of mine. I understand there are reasons for huge businesses to export labor to China, but it's a little painful to see small businesses do the same.

If both big and small companies export manufacturing to China over the long term, I guess Americans will all either need to wait tables or be IT professionals working on military/government contracts, that can't be exported due to security concerns. Because programming labor is certainly being exported to foreign countries.

Seems to me, more and more sectors of the American economy are finding ways to export labor to countries with cheaper labor, while selling the finished product back to Americans.

Why do you continue to spout nonsense? First IF I block ANYONE on FB it is generally long after they have proved to be COMPLETELY incompatible with normal conversation. It is QUITE apparent by your demeanor on here that you don't respectfully converse with anyone. Secondly, facebook is not the only way to contact me and I presume you know what email is and how a telephone works.

I was not at the DCC. Had I been there then I would have made time to play you for as much money as you wanted to play for.

Of course I mind when you decide to use me personally to push your "not happy with China" thing...you made completely false comments about me in regards to China. How could I NOT be bothered by that. You use the word respect and opened up in this thread by giving me none while also being completely false about me.

I never moved any production to China. I started JB Cases from scratch in my apartment in China in 2007. If you think it's easy to build cases the way we do it then feel free to run the numbers and start your business here. Once you have purchased your first sewing machine and have made at least an envelope case I will give you some patterns to get you started. I will curious to see what retail price you come up after you successfully duplicate a Rugged case that you made entirely in the USA. What I don't understand though is if we live in the land of the free why then a businessperson is not FREE to make his products anywhere on the planet he chooses to. Are you not free to take a higher paying job or one with better benefits? If the employee is free to work where he wants to then the employer is also free to work where he wants to. And if you were an employer and someone showed up at your door with all the right qualifications and said he would work for less than you currently pay you would certainly want to consider it.

In our case we are able to leverage the lower wages in China by putting way more shop hours into the cases which means we can build a far better case and still keep it affordable.

If you want to be upset at something replacing jobs then rage against the machines. American manufacturing is at an all time high but it requires less humans to make stuff now. Small group/low production manufacturing, which does often use more human labor is growing rapidly in the USA but the prices for the goods made are typically much higher than comparable imported goods. Still, they tell good stories and the work is generally pretty good so they do have plenty of customers.

The real issue is that we have to rethink what work is and decide that we can have a country where everyone has something to do but that something doesn't have to be soul-killing factory work or cubicle paper pushing drudgery. Last year I TRIED to give 50k+ to an Oklahoma City web design company and instead I got a shitty mockup that was terrible while they flat out ripped me off for $5000. Another company in Colorado was given the opportunity to bid on my website and they wasted it showing me that they didn't listen to my needs or even begin to understand what we are selling. So, I can tell you how to rethink work and make it so that people can in fact earn decently providing tailored service to other people but the fact is that most people still have this idea that they should work for a company that will take care of them for life.

Regarding the interior problem you have, is it with our interior or the one that came in your Justis. If it's ours then it carries the same lifetime warranty as the rest of our interiors and we can replace it. We also constantly improve our interiors so thank you for the advice and we have experimented with techniques such as you suggest. We will do it for you as a one off if that's what you want.
 
Matt,

Worked for many years representing a firm formerly owned and operated by a well known English audio company. As it is in most cases involving audio electronics in the 90's, the company moved production to China. The end product not only was better made but performed at an equal or higher level. The reliability also went up. Kudos to the Chinese and their work ethic. Are they ethical to their employees? Are they paid a reasonable wage? Not questions I can answer. All I know is John and Karen make a first class product at a reasonable price. What more can people want?

Lyn

The issue with a lot of the crap Chinese products is that they are designed and made to be crap to be cheap. JB cases are not "cheap" nor do they feel cheap, but I am happier with my $200+ JB case than with having two cheaper ones. Both me and my son have one and he is planning on getting more made to have a collection (he is going superhero designs).

If you give the factory good specs and check on how they do the work, you will get good results. If you tell them to make you a $500 product but for $300 you will get crap.

One thing I still will not trust China to make is batteries. Too many battery cells made in China fail, and badly. I think it's due to poor quality control of the components and being made to meet some crazy low price.

Funny story I have about made in China, my wife's uncle is a big "buy US guy", he got his wife a Buick, found out a month after that it was made in China LOL He had some colorful words to say about that.
 
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I would have contacted you long ago, but you blocked me on Facebook, just like everyone else who ever disagreed respectfully with you on any subject.
To show you I am not a completely salty barstard, I will give some feedback of a constructive sort.. From what I remember when I put the new interior in, the stuffing at the top of the case has been pushed downwards over a period of time by taking butts/shafts in and out.. This might be preventable during manufacture by stuffing the interior chambers with whatever stuffing you use, evening it out, then running a few lines of horizontal stitching to keep the stuffing "compartmentalized", so over the long term, the stuffing cannot get pushed downwards past a certain point. And make sure the first horizontal line is no more than 2-3 inches from the top of the case.
You may have already made these sorts of adjustments to the interior. If so, ignore my comment.
And..... We didn't get to play that DCC matchup.. :sorry: Understandable, because the Horseshoe had f*ckall space for vendors period. And likely, it won't be any better next year.
And don't mind me about the USA labor versus Chinese labor thing... It's just a personal preference of mine. I understand there are reasons for huge businesses to export labor to China, but it's a little painful to see small businesses do the same.
If both big and small companies export manufacturing to China over the long term, I guess Americans will all either need to wait tables or be IT professionals working on military/government contracts, that can't be exported due to security concerns. Because programming labor is certainly being exported to foreign countries.
Seems to me, more and more sectors of the American economy are finding ways to export labor to countries with cheaper labor, while selling the finished product back to Americans.
The man has offered to give you a case under his lifetime warranty.
Why don't you just take the case and be content..?.
Some manufacturers of various products won't do that.
Please also take your opinions about American economy and export labor and all that stuff to the political forum. It's old news
That's my take on this entire thread about JB Cases.........which are great, in my opinion.
 
I own 2 JB rugged cases both are used weekly. In 3 years, I have had no issues whatsoever. Quality case at a fair price, they really hold up and do their job well. IMHO they are a great case.
 
I LOVE my JB case! I have just a plain black 4x8 nice and simple and durable and plenty of pocket space. It replaces an It's George case that is about 20 years old. The latch is no longer reliable on the George and the pocket is too small, but other than those issues, and being a bit nicked up in the leather it held up well for sure! The JB is likely to last me the rest of my life -- that is long enough for me :D:D
 
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