How High Or Low Do You Cue For Maximum Spin And Had Dr. Dave Ever Studied This?

[Nature Boy]

How high or low do you cue the ball when attempting maximum spin?

The golfer in me knows that for maximum backspin, you want a downward strike. It would seem to me that physics would say the same would be true in pool, which would mean a slightly elevated butt.

Does that mean we should strike slightly upwards for maximum follow? I know that many instructors tell us the cue should finish on the felt for all shots, but this seems counterintuitive to me.

I also wonder if Dr. Dave has done a study on this.

Thanks in advance!

 

[Patrick Johnson]

How high or low do you cue the ball when attempting maximum spin?

Hitting at the "miscue limit" - halfway from center to edge on the CB - produces maximum spin.

... for maximum backspin, you want a downward strike.

I don't think that's correct for most shots.

pj
chgo

 

[straightline]

I believe the ins and outs of that are on his pages. One trick about follow is by shooting slightly downward, the tip pinches the ball into the cloth. More relevant friction, quicker hookup.

 

[Island Drive]

How high or low do you cue the ball when attempting maximum spin?

The golfer in me knows that for maximum backspin, you want a downward strike. It would seem to me that physics would say the same would be true in pool, which would mean a slightly elevated butt.

Does that mean we should strike slightly upwards for maximum follow? I know that many instructors tell us the cue should finish on the felt for all shots, but this seems counterintuitive to me.

I also wonder if Dr. Dave has done a study on this.

Thanks in advance!

Coming thru the horizontal contact point on the cue ball with a perfectly straight follow thru at the outward 3 o'clock or 9 o'clock strike point.

 

[tim913]

If you have ball in hand and you’re worried about maximum spin do what Dr Dave did. Spin it first on the cloth then contact CB with tip. You don’t stand a chance in hell of making anything but you’ll have maximum spin

 

[Bob Jewett]

How high or low do you cue the ball when attempting maximum spin? ...

The question is ambiguous. If you want maximum spin relative to speed as the ball leaves the tip, hit the cue ball as far off-center as you can.

If you want max side spin relative to speed after the cue ball has acquired normal roll, hit at 4:30 or 7:30 and as far from center as you can without miscuing.

"How high or low" means nothing without more context.

If you really want maximum backspin, elevate to near 90 degrees. The cue ball will come back to you without hitting a ball.

 

[straightline]

The question is ambiguous. If you want maximum spin relative to speed as the ball leaves the tip, hit the cue ball as far off-center as you can.

If you want max side spin relative to speed after the cue ball has acquired normal roll, hit at 4:30 or 7:30 and as far from center as you can without miscuing.

"How high or low" means nothing without more context.

If you really want maximum backspin, elevate to near 90 degrees. The cue ball will come back to you without hitting a ball.

I have this impression that perfect rolling is all you get with follow unless you hit vertically as well. ?

 

[Biloxi Boy]

Stroke is the key. Get it. Got it. Nothing more, or less. As far as spin, it is not exactly where you hit it (obviously you must have SOME offset from center) but how you hit it is where "maximum spin" is developed. A smooth and powerful stroke creates smooth and powerful spin.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

… it is not exactly where you hit it (obviously you must have SOME offset from center) but how you hit it is where "maximum spin" is developed. A smooth and powerful stroke creates smooth and powerful spin.

Nope - it’s where you hit it (how far from center). Stroke mechanics just get you there.

pj
chgo

 

[garczar]

Nope - it’s where you hit it (how far from center). Stroke mechanics just get you there.

pj
chgo

yep. the cb doesn't know or care about the stroke. its tip offset that determines spin. i've known players with quirky/jerky actions that could effortlessly spin their rock.

 

[td873]

How high or low do you cue the ball when attempting maximum spin?

The golfer in me knows that for maximum backspin, you want a downward strike. It would seem to me that physics would say the same would be true in pool, which would mean a slightly elevated butt.

Does that mean we should strike slightly upwards for maximum follow? I know that many instructors tell us the cue should finish on the felt for all shots, but this seems counterintuitive to me.

I also wonder if Dr. Dave has done a study on this.

Thanks in advance!

Yes. Dr. Dave has a LOT of information on tip offset. You can google his pages and enjoy a lot of light (or math intense) reading as well as high speed and normal speed videos.

-td

 

[Biloxi Boy]

All I know is as my stroke improved, the less offset was required, and resulting movement was more controlled. And since less offset was used, miscues decreased to nothing.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

… as my stroke improved, the less offset was required

The more predictable the outcome, the less you need to overdo the offset to get enough spin.

pj
chgo

 

[garczar]

Anybody see Hopkins in his prime?? That butt-ugly 'jab stroke' busted a BUNCH of players who thought he couldn't play. As long as the strike is precise and repeatable it doesn't matter how it gets there. Top 3c players generate TONS of spin with short punchy actions on certain shots.