How is APA 9 ball mvp calculated?
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I believe PA stands for "Points Available"
PPM stands for Points Per Match.
Maybe the math guys can tell if it is possible for these to have separate results....What I can clearly see is that the same players would be ranked in the same order were either used on its own. In my division anyway...
Both are shown under the heading MVP. I dunno whether both are used, or just one, and how each would be weighted if both.
After reading the post from SteveA above, I went back to get the definition:
MVP
Top Player rankings are based on Number of Points Earned / Number of Points Available
PPM stands for Points Per Match.
Maybe the math guys can tell if it is possible for these to have separate results....What I can clearly see is that the same players would be ranked in the same order were either used on its own. In my division anyway...
Both are shown under the heading MVP. I dunno whether both are used, or just one, and how each would be weighted if both.
After reading the post from SteveA above, I went back to get the definition:
MVP
Top Player rankings are based on Number of Points Earned / Number of Points Available
You're welcome.
To take your situation to another level, in our 8-ball division a year or so ago, I went 11-0, but came in second for MVP to someone who went 7-0. He scored many more 3-0 wins than I did, so his Points Per Match average was higher.
(He is the FAR better player, so there is no shame in finishing second to him, lol)
Sigh.
That is correct. PPM (points per match) is simply PA (percentage of available points) multiplied by the points you could win in a match (3 in 8-Ball or 20 in 9-Ball). They give the same ranking order, but PA is an attempt to make the numbers look the same for both 8-Ball and 9-Ball.
That makes sense.
Not sure how they determine MVP in other areas, but in ours they do not just do it for your division.
So with APA running our area, you may be in first for your division and it shows such on the website when you look at the team standings, but if you look at all the others in the area which include all teams you will be seeing at the local team championship you may be in 5th thus you get NOTHING for it.
At least 9 ball somewhat factors in your opponents skill and how well they did. 8 ball is crap as it doesn't matter how well they did against you or how much better/lower they are, you still either get 0, 1, 2 or 3 points out of a potential 3. I personally like the old way they did it better as the quality of your opponent came into play, as it should for an MVP.
So with APA running our area, you may be in first for your division and it shows such on the website when you look at the team standings, but if you look at all the others in the area which include all teams you will be seeing at the local team championship you may be in 5th thus you get NOTHING for it.
At least 9 ball somewhat factors in your opponents skill and how well they did. 8 ball is crap as it doesn't matter how well they did against you or how much better/lower they are, you still either get 0, 1, 2 or 3 points out of a potential 3. I personally like the old way they did it better as the quality of your opponent came into play, as it should for an MVP.
In APA 8-ball the 0-3 points is in addition to whether you win/loss your match. I think this second level of scoring was added a few years ago as a check against sandbagging.
In a sense, your opponents skill has a factor in it for 8-ball, as you don't 3-0 the better players as easily.
On the flip side of that, under the old system, Top Gun (Top Shooter, MVP, whatever name was used) was skewed towards the better players, as their opponents would usually be higher skill levels, so that factor added up quicker.
Not unless they are doing something different in your area. Here it is the points earned divided by the potential points which is 3 per match. I believe this is the 2nd year here for the 3, 2, 1 and 0 team point setup.
If you lose you get 0 of 3. If you get 1 and lose you get 1 of 3. So if you play 6 matches and get to the hill but lose in every one of them you have 6 points out of 18 so you will have a percentage of 0.333. If you win every match but they win a game you have 12 points out of 18 so you have a percentage of .667. How well they did in the match has no affect so they can get to the hill every time and your % is the same as someone that beat them with them only winning 1 game every time. I believe few would argue that the one that gave up all the team points to the opponent is not the same quality MVP as the one that gave up none.
But under the old system, if you go undefeated, beating 5's, 6's and 7's, and I go undefeated beating 3's and 4's, you win MVP. Even if I go 10-0 and you go 7-0.
Under the current system, the guy that goes undefeated AND wins most of his matches 3-0 is clearly the better player, that session. Which happened to me in my example above. Jeff went 7-0, I went 11-0. He scored more 3-0 wins than I did, and his points per match was higher as a result.
it has always been that way in my area. under the old 8 ball scoring system i was always in 1st place in my division but when the end of session stats came out i was usually 4th-5th overall.
you are correct in that the old system rewarded you more points if you beat higher level players......it did not matter if every match went hill-hill.
under the new system you are rewarded more points based on how well you hold your opponents from winning racks during your match.
cynthyr is right about the new aystem is designed to curb sandbagging.
look at it this way....here you are in ltc's . its down to the 5th match. both teams have won 2 matches. you are a 5 and are playing a 6.
under the old system you can bang balls around for 20 innings or so and let it get hill-hill before you win your match solidifying a team win.
under the new system after both teams winning 2 matches apiece your team may be down 5-4. you have to keep your opponent from getting on the hill so you can win 2-0. kinda hard to sand bag in that situation and even harder if you have to shut them out 3-0 which comes up quite often.
which player do you think deserves mvp under those 2 scenarios ?
The problem with the "old way" is if I put up a seven thinking I will draw out their best player, the other team will put up a two or three.
I had to play many 6-2 races and it is not fun.
I had to play many 6-2 races and it is not fun.