How is this good for pool?

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POVPOOL

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I've just heard that Bill & Zay, the owners of Shooter's have essentially 'locked' out all outside leagues from operatiing at any of their 3 venues, which are all in the Riverside area.

Apparently the only league allowed to operate at these venues will be the APA. I don't know what the APA is offering these guys in return, but if you ask me, this is a
very bad decision.

Shooters, Riverside
Shooters, Hemet
Q-Bonkers, Riverside

These locations are now 'APA' only establishments.
 
How is this good for pool?....

Its not...just good for the APA...and the only thing good about the APA is having a low handicap...seems to me its the only players that benefit with improving there game
 
I have no idea Daniel. Seems like short-sighted shenannigans, eh?
First 2 places to start FWIW:

1) Follow the money

2) Follow the alliances


Pool rhymes with ...
 
It could be that the other leagues weren't profitable business.

Running a business isn't a public service. Closing the doors because you're losing money is too common in the pool industry.
 
POVPOOL said:
I've just heard that Bill & Zay, the owners of Shooter's have essentially 'locked' out all outside leagues from operatiing at any of their 3 venues, which are all in the Riverside area.

Apparently the only league allowed to operate at these venues will be the APA. I don't know what the APA is offering these guys in return, but if you ask me, this is a
very bad decision.

Shooters, Riverside
Shooters, Hemet
Q-Bonkers, Riverside

These locations are now 'APA' only establishments.
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If you don't know what the APA is offering how are you sure it is a bad decision? You very well might be right. I only know of one APA only venue in my area but I believe they have a league every night except saturday and hold all the APA tourneys at this location. Safe to say without the APA their business model would be drastically different.

Customers vote with their wallets, if this is a bad decision they will know soon enough.
 
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I don't know the details, but I do know that Shooters in Hemet just opened, so they don't know which leagues will be profitable for them and which won't at this point.

At least give BCA/TAP etc... a chance to make them money.
 
That may allow them to field enough teams to have divisions in-house, so even on 'away' nights, they still get full business. I suppose it depends on how many teams they have, what the players expect and how much $$ the players spend.
 
CB Jones said:
If you don't know what the APA is offering how are you sure it is a bad decision? You very well might be right. I only know of one APA only venue in my area but I believe they have a league every night except saturday and hold all the APA tourneys at this location. Safe to say without the APA their business model would be drastically different.

Customer vote with their wallets, if this is a bad decision they will know soon enough.
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It doesn't matter what the APA is offering them. Albeit, the APA obviously made it worth their while in some respects.

What matters is that players now have no choice. Some of you reading this may think, what's the difference between the APA, BCA, TAP or any other leagues...

There are vast differences... There are many players who will NOT play APA because of their format and scoring system. Many won't play BCA or TAP either. The point here is that players who want to choose their leagues will have to look elsewhere if they don't want to play APA,

It also indicates that the APA is obviously going to great lengths to try to corner the market in that area. Historically, competing leagues have not gotten along with each other and pulled a lot of moves to try to outrun other leagues, but in the end, it's always the player's choices that are affected. I believe that ALL leagues should have a fair shot and that the host venues should see the value in this. This is why I think it's not good for pool to host only one league.
 
Hey Dan...

POVPOOL said:
It doesn't matter what the APA is offering them. Albeit, the APA obviously made it worth their while in some respects.

What matters is that players now have no choice. Some of you reading this may think, what's the difference between the APA, BCA, TAP or any other leagues...

There are vast differences... There are many players who will NOT play APA because of their format and scoring system. Many won't play BCA or TAP either. The point here is that players who want to choose their leagues will have to look elsewhere if they don't want to play APA,

It also indicates that the APA is obviously going to great lengths to try to corner the market in that area. Historically, competing leagues have not gotten along with each other and pulled a lot of moves to try to outrun other leagues, but in the end, it's always the player's choices that are affected. I believe that ALL leagues should have a fair shot and that the host venues should see the value in this. This is why I think it's not good for pool to host only one league.
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With Hemet that means they have NO choice. I stay away from playing in Leagues, but there are no other pool halls any where near hemet. The closest are Yucaipa billiards, High Society (not worth going to even when you live down the street), and Shooter's in Riverside.

I know Bill and Zay know how real players like to play and since the next closest decent pool halls for me are in San Diego, I'll probably play at Hemet on occasion, but I understand what you're saying none the less.

Jaden
 
CB Jones said:
If you don't know what the APA is offering how are you sure it is a bad decision? You very well might be right. I only know of one APA only venue in my area but I believe they have a league every night except saturday and hold all the APA tourneys at this location. Safe to say without the APA their business model would be drastically different.

Customers vote with their wallets, if this is a bad decision they will know soon enough.
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I've seen pool halls remove their nice 9 ft. Gold Crown III's in favor of installing Diamond 7 footers so they can host the APA Playoffs and LVQ tournaments. Obviously the pay off was better for the business owners.
 
Why would a smart business do anything?

Unless you are implying that they made this decision as part of a dastardly plan to hurt the overall game of pool?
 
Sure sounds like something underhanded going on. The apa operator(s) in the area might have made them an offer they could not refuse. If there are no other leagues, why even make that kind of a rule. If there are others, they will have to be traveling leagues to the local bars.
 
MahnaMahna said:
Why would a smart business do anything?

Unless you are implying that they made this decision as part of a dastardly plan to hurt the overall game of pool?
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not all businesses are open for the purpose of showing a profit
 
POVPOOL said:
It doesn't matter what the APA is offering them. Albeit, the APA obviously made it worth their while in some respects.

What matters is that players now have no choice. Some of you reading this may think, what's the difference between the APA, BCA, TAP or any other leagues...

There are vast differences... There are many players who will NOT play APA because of their format and scoring system. Many won't play BCA or TAP either. The point here is that players who want to choose their leagues will have to look elsewhere if they don't want to play APA,

It also indicates that the APA is obviously going to great lengths to try to corner the market in that area. Historically, competing leagues have not gotten along with each other and pulled a lot of moves to try to outrun other leagues, but in the end, it's always the player's choices that are affected. I believe that ALL leagues should have a fair shot and that the host venues should see the value in this. This is why I think it's not good for pool to host only one league.
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When I was in the golf business there were big perks if you became an exclusive Titliest, Callaway or Ping shop. You received better terms, pricing and shipping if you only carried their product. Now you do have to balance out how many sales / customers you will lose being exclusive versus how much you will gain from the perks to know if it is the right decision.

Companies demand these decisions from us all the time. How many times do you order a coke and hear "pepsi ok"? Because of their deals most restaurants carry either coke or pepsi products. Or when in a strip mall there will be only one pizza place, grocery store, nail salon, chinese restaurant due to the non compete clause in the lease.

All leagues do have a fair shot at these locations, they just have to prove that they can generate more income for the owners. And we as customers have the final say. If the owners are wrong and there are not enough APA players to support their leagues or if enough players boycott the hall because of their policy they will change it to meet their customers needs.

I do not disagree with you in theory of a pool hall offering all leagues is the best for the players but not always the best for the business. I hope it all works out for you, we are lucky here to have many choices in leagues and pool halls to play at.
 
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Texts messages often do not convey the senders original intent. My buddy Ian talked to Zay & Bill last night and says that out of all the room owners in Riverside County, they are the ones who have done the most by restoring 3 BIG rooms to nearly new condition.

All three: Shooters Riverside, Cues Riverside and the New Shooters in Hemet all will allow multiple leagues. Shooters Hemet has just opened and is now Hands Down the nicest Big Room in Riverside County with 10 valleys, 9 Brunswicks, and a 10ft Brunswick snooker table all sharing 13,000 sq ft with a full service bar, kitchen and VIP room offering food and beverage packages.

Ian says Bill and Zay have been great for Pool in riverside County over the last 5 years. But he's not running any new leagues at this time as they continue to shake down operations and are preparing to offer multiple leagues in the near future.

I apologize if anyone was offended by this post. I hope to see this room and stream there in the near future.
 
Really nice to hear, no one doing anything that may not be good for pool in general.:thumbup:
 
The worst customers in a pool hall

The Sad thing is if you talk to pool room owners , especially ones who own muliple pool halls , Fast Eddies in Texas Comes to mind , the worst customers are the serious pool player , they spend the least amount of money .

The casual player or Leaugue player who is out for thier bi weekly leaugue night tend to spend twice the amount of money as the serious pool player.

The Manager at Fast Eddies Beaumont TX . easily the nicest pool room in town caters to the casual player and thier leagues. because this is where the money is for them in bar sales , table time , food sales ETC.

The few serious players who frequent the place , Me being one when i am home spend 1/4 of what john and Joan Q public spend on a typical Friday night.
 
A Fish in a bullet-proof vest

MahnaMahna said:
Da BCA sleeps wit da fishes.
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I agree... and I think that as long as everyone keeps trying to get into the blonde's panties, everyone will collectively die. Ignore the blonde, grab a willing body and GTFO of the bar.

I am of course alluding to the theory proposed by John Forbes Nash (see movie Beautiful Mind) that says pretty much the same thing. Everyone wants to be number one, they want to capture the market as a whole and nothing less will ever do (going for the blonde). So while everyone is concerned with wasting time and energy going for the big nut, the entire market suffers and dies.... along with you and everyone else that was short-sighted enough to put all their energy into the obvious target (aside form the Chilean gardener hung like a deformed rhino).

Unity is not absolute, union is. Be it 2 or 2 billion.

Regards,

Lesh

PS: I hope your child, is a masculine child.
 
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