How many have we lost

epicures said:
Can you provide any credible evidence to back up this claim?

Andrew
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I know in winter you can be on Boulder Hwy. in Henderson say around Sunset Rd. and look down into the valley and you can see stratified layers of smog. Makes me glad I'm not there anymore.
EDIT: I meant to say this is in Las Vegas.

mr8ball said:
Wow Thanks for all the post on this. I just saw on TV last night that they are trying to pass the law here in Va. I admit i hate the smoke also but i go to quite a few tournaments and have herd stories of pool rooms closing and this was one of the reasons. I just hope things turn around soon or we will all be in trouble. Thanks again to all, Doug
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Just as soon as Dubya is out things will turn.
 
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I do not smoke, nor do I really care a whole lot if it is banned or not.

That being said....
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE SMOKE, DON'T GO TO THE DAMN BAR!

why do we need laws like this?

the darn yuppies need to chill and leave the poor smokin folk alone

oh, the uprising of poker, along with the increase in casinos in the last 8 years hasn't done a whole lot for us either.

-Jon
 
Arizona is pretty much Smoke Free in Public Places, like Bars, Resturants, pool rooms, etc. Priviate CLUBS like Elks, American Legion, etc. you can still smoke.

I am not anti Smoking, just don't exhale near me..
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RunoutalloverU said:
Backwards thinking. Its simply backwards thinking in some parts of the country, where things are not as progressive. Smoking is just so obviously backwards no matter how popular it maybe in certain parts of the country (just like racism was). And if your thinking the analogy doesn't add up because of the severity of racism in the United States, smoking has killed way more people than racism ever has. While it maybe true that smoking bans hurt buisnesses such as pool halls, I don't see how should matter......just like desegregation made people upset, it angered people who wanted to keep things the way they were (just like the smoking bans today), but like segregation like smoking or ANY backwards thinking in this country when it is widespread and laws change it, people are going to be upset and try to use excuses like its bad for buisness or whatever. I don't see the difference, the only reason it seems like a shocking analogy is because that time in America when black people were treated less than human is NOW considered a very dark period in history. Like internment camps, or putting leaches on people to cure them. Smoking in public will be thought of as just as backwards in 50 to 60 years. And trying to use the argument that it hurts buisness is both true and completely pointless in regards to what is right.
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Now, Ladies and Gentlemen, remember, the good ol' government says they must controll all this 'cause we all are too dumb to take care of ourselves....:( .... Progressive is the word used to impose a communal edict over the minds of free men. Progressive thinking..... now there is a genuine oxymoron.................:)
 
catscradle said:
Jay you make an excellent point about the cyclic nature of pool. I do disagree about the effect of the economy however.
It isn't the economy, it isn't the smoking bans, it is lack of interest in pool. Interest in pool waxes and wanes, it thrived during the depression remember, it retreated in the period after WWII and before "The Hustler" when smoking was not banned. I don't know that I'm as optimistic as Jay that it will comeback in the future, but I'm not experienced in the industry as he is either, so maybe he's right. I do know, however, it isn't smoking bans or the economy, it is lack of interest by the general public.
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there are more things to do nowdays, like hang out online, 200 channels on TV, DVD's, etc. When guys buy a season pass on Direct TV which wasnt possible 20 years ago that guy might be at the pool room, but now days he is watching his team. its a dated game, poker didnt help and its an easier gamble than pool, sooooo the gambling aspect of pool aint gonna sell.
 
people worked with asbestos without respirators not too many years ago, that was stupid but they did'nt know any better. we know smoking causes cancer but the govt. allows it because of the taxes. when are people going to wake up & demand a stop to smoking everywhere? by the way other people drinking doesnt make YOU drunk anyone using this comparison must be retarded. your so called right to smoke is not only killing you but everyone around you. smokers doing this around their children should be charged with abuse. put that in your pipe and smoke it
 
jasonlaus said:
people worked with asbestos without respirators not too many years ago, that was stupid but they did'nt know any better. we know smoking causes cancer but the govt. allows it because of the taxes. when are people going to wake up & demand a stop to smoking everywhere?
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Prohibition on Smoking ????? Hmm, I wonder if that would create Cigarette Bootleggers / Smugglers ?
 
MikeJanis said:
Prohibition on Smoking ????? Hmm, I wonder if that would create Cigarette Bootleggers / Smugglers ?
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I think it is already going on because of taxes.
 
MikeJanis said:
Prohibition on Smoking ????? Hmm, I wonder if that would create Cigarette Bootleggers / Smugglers ?
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Tobacco smuggling..........:eek: The new cocaine...........:D instead of 7 bucks a pack in the city it will go to C note.....:) Ah, free enterprise..........:cool:
 
mr8ball said:
I was just curious to know does anyone know just how many pool rooms we have lost in the US over the smoking band? How many do we have to loose before something is done about it? It seems it has got out of hand. I am not a smoker myself and i do hate the smell of it but it has to be a line drawn somewhere so we can stop loosing all of the pool rooms over this. What are your thought and should the Pool/Bar owners start to protest this in someway?? Thanks in advance, Doug
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In order to ask this question fairly, one must also as how many NEW rooms have opened since the smoking ban has taken place;) I assure you, I have spent plenty of time delivering new pool tables to NEW pool rooms as well:D But, seems like everyone focuses on the drama in life, and miss the point that sometimes things just change gradually.

Glen
 
I have to drive an hour to hit a "pool room" these days because of the smoke ban. By pool room I'm not counting the chains that cater to martninis and burgers with a side of random rule 8-ball. That is due to 3 of the rooms I used to go to closing because of the smoke ban in MA. That is for fact due to the smoke ban, every one of the owners/managers there stated that soon as the smoke stopped, they dropped business by up to 50%.

I don't smoke, I don't really like not being able to see the other side of the table through the Marlboro cloud, but I chose to play pool, which = being around smokers, gamblers, drug users (ya I'm stereotyping, but half the regulars in all the places I visit(ed) are on someting illegal), drinkers and poor dressers. It's not right to start going somewhere, and make the others there change to accomidate you. If people want to go to a healthy place, go to Whole Foods and chew on the brocolli.
 
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realkingcobra said:
In order to ask this question fairly, one must also as how many NEW rooms have opened since the smoking ban has taken place;) I assure you, I have spent plenty of time delivering new pool tables to NEW pool rooms as well:D But, seems like everyone focuses on the drama in life, and miss the point that sometimes things just change gradually.

Glen
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And of those new rooms, how many have you re-visted to move out the tables after they sold them all?
 
Look, I've been in this industry for over 25 years, and one thing I've learned is that if room owners don't keep up with the changing times, and insist in living in the past...they'll be in the past-tence! People change, places change, competition creates change, if you don't change to stay in business...you won't stay in business...period. And any pool room that was border in business that goes out of business because of a smoking ban...was on the way out already, they just needed something to blame it on:D

Glen
 
Yes I can !!!

epicures said:
Can you provide any credible evidence to back up this claim?

Andrew
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I have 4 siblings (all older than me) My mother smoked and drank during
all of her pregnancies. She passed away some years ago at 89 of natural
causes. We are all in our 70's to mid 80's, and still enjoy pretty good
health. Look somewhere else for your rise in cancer of late (like flori-
dation of water) If second hand smoke killed, we'd all be dead!!!!
Dick
P.S. I'm not saying smoking is good for you, but it is the only thing I
do real well.
 
Well said!!!!

chefjeff said:
I'm confused, too. Are you saying that freedom to associate with whomever (smokers, blacks, pool players, Californians, etc.) is not progressive and therefore pointless and therefore should be stopped by govt decree?:confused:

Jeff Livingston
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Jeff, AMEN BROTHER,
 
chefjeff said:
My emphasis....It isn't if you "have" to chose; it is you GET to chose.

That's THE point: free to chose. That's (supposed to be) the American way.

fwiw,

Jeff Livingston
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Right now I have the choice to smoke or not smoke in the pool hall. Your assertion makes no sense since theyll be taking away my freedom to choose to smoke. YOU have a choice not to go. IMO
 
Bull____T!!!!

jasonlaus said:
people worked with asbestos without respirators not too many years ago, that was stupid but they did'nt know any better. we know smoking causes cancer but the govt. allows it because of the taxes. when are people going to wake up & demand a stop to smoking everywhere? by the way other people drinking doesnt make YOU drunk anyone using this comparison must be retarded. your so called right to smoke is not only killing you but everyone around you. smokers doing this around their children should be charged with abuse. put that in your pipe and smoke it
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SEE POST # 56
 
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