How much would you pay for lessons?

Just how much would you be willing to pay for lessons?

  • $1150

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • over $1150

    Votes: 2 2.3%
  • under $1150

    Votes: 63 72.4%
  • I aint paying crap! and definitely not $1150

    Votes: 21 24.1%

  • Total voters
    87
$$$ for lessons

I don't necessarily think that any amount of $$$ is worth paying if you don't put the extra effort into maintaining your level of play. Unless I had the time to invest in playing "serious" pool. I just can't see that kind of money, as most of the players in this site are upper level players. I just can't see paying for something like that other than the allure of playing with such well known players. 20-50 dollars an hour is plenty acceptable for an accomplished player to get for lessons, my goodness most Brain surgeons don't make but around 125$ a f'n hour! LOL!
 
best deal

Personally I think what Stan Shuffett offers at his 2 day course for the
money and time spent is the best deal ever .I got more out of those 2
days than my whole time back at the table over the past 3 -4years .I still
struggle with some issues but I have a solid road map to get to where I
want to be with my game .Starting a new business has put a damper on
my practice but I am close to where I can spend more than 10 hours a
week in practice .Also want to take a couple of hours of instruction from
the Hillbilly when I can make some time that he has too.
 
I hope you're joking here...because MOST brain surgeons are millionaires! They didn't get that way at $125/hr! Heck, the anesthesiologist makes $6K for about 10-15 minutes of actual work.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

bankshot76 said:
most Brain surgeons don't make but around 125$ a f'n hour! LOL!
 
Fatboy said:
go put $1150 in action and you'll get a real lession. not being a smart ass-you will learn something about yourself and your game, and if you win then hire Scott Lee.

You don't need to spend over a grand to find out about your game. Just go to Chris's Billiards in Chicago and match up with any number of players there, and if you beat those in the top 10 or so, you won't need a lesson from Scott. Who are in the top 10? Good question. Just go in on a Sunday night when they have the handicapped 9 ball tournament and see how you fare. And that'll only set you back $10. If the competition in that tournament isn't tough enough, head out to table 9 or 10 and match up, there'll be plenty of decent players who'll give you a run for your money.

If you lose to them, that doesn't mean your game is no good, just that you lost. And it sure won't cost you a grand.

Flex

P.S. BTW, from time to time, The Beard is seen in action there. Santos too, and others. If you can fade their action, whether you need lessons or not is questionable.
 
bankshot76 said:
I don't necessarily think that any amount of $$$ is worth paying if you don't put the extra effort into maintaining your level of play. Unless I had the time to invest in playing "serious" pool. I just can't see that kind of money, as most of the players in this site are upper level players. I just can't see paying for something like that other than the allure of playing with such well known players. 20-50 dollars an hour is plenty acceptable for an accomplished player to get for lessons, my goodness most Brain surgeons don't make but around 125$ a f'n hour! LOL!

As Scott Lee said above, brain surgeons make more. But I would rather pay 125 an hour to somebody who might know the solution to the problem quickly and save a whole bunch of time. Might save me so much time and money that it is not even a comparison. In any profession, you can find somebody with a huge hourly rate who is a bargain. Might save you all kinds of time and money. Or be the one who can really fix the problem. The old adage of any field, lawyer, plumber, electrician, etc.... A guy comes in and solves the problem and hands over a bill. Say $500 for twenty minutes. And the customer complains. Even though having the 50/hour guy might have cost 600 in time and not fixed the problem. The answer to the old adage is the guy who knows his stuff answering "The 500 isn't for the 20 minutes, its for the 30 years it took me to learn to solve the problem in 20 minutes." Skimping on professional help of any sort is often false savings.

Would I want to pay 1100 for lessons that weren't worth it? No. Would I pay more than 1100 over time for good professional instruction? Sure. I guess those deciding which teacher to go to will have to weigh the costs and benefits of a particular school.
 
There is way to get where you are going and it all depends on where you currently are. Some of it depends on where you have been, but mostly on your current level.

What is important to know is that you will never 'get there' unless you have someone worthy to show you. You can practice, and practice, watch dvd matches, practice some more, and you will mostly just be chasing your tail unless someone analyzes you and corrects your flaws, and EVERYONE HAS FLAWS.

More so that the physical delivery is the mental approach of how to look at the shot, how to 'feel the shot', how to deliver the stroke properly, and most importantly, what to do after the shot. It is the same, harmonious repetitive orchestration of choreography time after time. If you think you have only yourself, you will most likely be practicing more bad habits than good habits. Most of us are TOO PRIDEFUL to ask for help thinking that 'ONLY IF I CAN HIT THAT GEAR' like I did that one time.

Lay your pride down and seek the proper level of instruction for your appropriate skill level. It's really important to find the right help. Not just anyone can ask anyone, and 9 times out of 10, no one will help you. Things will just happen as God sees fit. If you deserve help and you have done the right things, paid your dues, and lost enough matches, you will come to a point of realization. Enlightenment will unfold before your very feet as to where to place the next step towards the right direction.

I myself thought that lessons were for suckers and they pretty much are, cause in pool, your instructor is probably gonna sit there on the side and be like that guy in 'Chubs' in Happy Gilmore sitting there coaching that large chick. Pool is simple. Very simple. All in all, just look at the ball and hit it. If only you can go full circle to come back to that simplicity is the real trick. That's where at some point, you need to get some sort of knowledgeable player, preferably someone who cares to spend a series of weeks and possibly months with you for a short period of time. It musn't be this person and that person either. Learn from one dependable person who is going to lift you above the clouds with every compliment he makes at key stages of improvement.

For me, it was Buddy Hall. He is the one who made me feel like I was finally 'doing it right.' I was made fun of and ridiculed because of my intention to copy Bustamante. I can only imagine how foolish I looked. I know of a few others who try that as well, and when I watch them they look quite ridiculous. Only Bustamante can really pull that shit off, and even he looks somewhat over flamboyant. You don't really need to do all that B.S. with the wavy back arm and 5' long bridge. You need you hand flat on the table with a concentrated effort to deliver with accuracy. That's realism. That's pool. Of course I compensated him with a cue, but I don't know if I could've ever 'gotten there' unless he had broken it down for me. It took someone of his magnitude, experience and star power for me to finally settle down and 'listen'. Many, many others had told me, or tried to tell me much of the same things, but only in an abbreviated version and I would never listen cause I was better than they were. After all, who were they to tell me anything?

My advice is this. Pay your dues. There is no other way to 'get there' than the hard way. There is no 'easy'. There is no 'secret' other than to say that the secret is acquired the 'hard way'. When the time is right, you will know it. Latch on to someone who makes you feel inspired and someone who knows better. If you find that the person teaching you truly cares, and it is your goal to be a highly skilled player, than it is worth $500, $700, or maybe even a little more, but not that much more. Anything more than that, especially a three-day or less pool school is going to hurt you more than help you especially if you're not ready.

"When the pupil is ready, the master will appear."
 
cost breakdown

CocoboloCowboy said:
I am curious what it is you get for 1150 BUCKS. How many hours/days of 1 on 1 instruction do you get?

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Cowboy, according to the flyer I got via email the break down is like this:

$1150 for two 8 hour days
That comes to approx $72/per hour.

They're gonna break the 15max. students up into 3 groups of 5 and rotate between the three teachers. So they want you to pay $72/per hour and it's not even a true one-on-one lesson. You'll probably have some limited private face time with each teacher but it's not like you have that person work with you for hours on end, you're gonna have to share.

Ralf Souqet charges $158(120Euros) per hour according to his website:

http://www.souquet.de/ev/index_ev1.htm

How much were Johnny & Earl charging for their school?

kano
 
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Stan Shuffett

Matt90 said:
Personally I think what Stan Shuffett offers at his 2 day course for the
money and time spent is the best deal ever .I got more out of those 2
days than my whole time back at the table over the past 3 -4years .I still
struggle with some issues but I have a solid road map to get to where I
want to be with my game .Starting a new business has put a damper on
my practice but I am close to where I can spend more than 10 hours a
week in practice .Also want to take a couple of hours of instruction from
the Hillbilly when I can make some time that he has too.

I second Matt90's assessment. As a beginner, I can honestly say that Stan reduced my learning curve by years. Every detail of his pedagogy is scientifically grounded. He is more interested in helping serious students than he is in the money. I am confident that he showed me the same respect that he would have shown to Efren or Strickland. The 2 days are intense but his textbook facilitates serious followup. He also promptly responds to e-mail questions, which inevitably follow as you embark upon his drills & get more deeply involved in the game. Stan is also an extremely pleasant man & the drive to see him takes you through some of the most beautiful country in the world. Furthermore, there is no hype & like any good martial arts master, he is genuinely humble.

His son Brandon is also a living testimonial.
 
For how much time? You can do pool school for 3 days for a lot less than 1100. Are you talking about per hour? Per day? What is your time frame? We are talking about lessons. Hanging out with "legends" is not lessons. How much would you pay to hang out with "legends". Do you consider Charlie Williams a legend. I mean no disrespect to Mr Williams, but a "legend". I took John Schmidt out to dinner. I had a great time. He was very interesting to talk to. I spend less than $30.
After a great 3 hour lesson with Scott Lee he took me out to dinner. Maybe he considers me a "legend".
 
A friend of mine that is reading "Banking with the Beard" told me he got the price back on the book on the very first shot he learned. Never underestimate some of the great literature on the market.
 
Matt90 said:
Personally I think what Stan Shuffett offers at his 2 day course for the
money and time spent is the best deal ever .I got more out of those 2
days than my whole time back at the table over the past 3 -4years .I still
struggle with some issues but I have a solid road map to get to where I
want to be with my game .Starting a new business has put a damper on
my practice but I am close to where I can spend more than 10 hours a
week in practice .Also want to take a couple of hours of instruction from
the Hillbilly when I can make some time that he has too.
I also went to see Stan Shuffet and I felt it was a fantastic experience. It took some time to incorporate the lesons into my game, but I feel and play like a better player...I would highly suggest Stan as an excellent value and he impressed me as a player also...Thanks Stan!
 
There are not enough details to know if th eamount is right. Although, I still would think 4 or 5 hours with Scott Lee would be worth far more than the Predator school.
 
You're not missing the point

kaznj said:
For how much time? You can do pool school for 3 days for a lot less than 1100. Are you talking about per hour? Per day? What is your time frame? We are talking about lessons. Hanging out with "legends" is not lessons. How much would you pay to hang out with "legends". Do you consider Charlie Williams a legend. I mean no disrespect to Mr Williams, but a "legend". I took John Schmidt out to dinner. I had a great time. He was very interesting to talk to. I spend less than $30.
After a great 3 hour lesson with Scott Lee he took me out to dinner. Maybe he considers me a "legend".
I've attended one of those Pro "Pool School" & I don't remember a thing from the session. No handouts, no homework whatsoever. Therefore I consider it "hanging out with the legends" for a fee. No, I didn't take them out for dinner.

I have to agree with you that RandyG or Scott Lee or any other BCA certified instructor is the way to go.

P.S. The title should be "You're missing the point"
 
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I personally think $1150 is waaaay too much. Anyone who wants to play pool can learn the fundamentals from watching or reading. Thats how i learned and i think i play damn good. Anyone who plays good pool can figure out how to play a layout. Nobody can teach you how to execute great shots over and over again. A mental and physical foundation can be taught, but the only way to learn is play play play. No instructor can make balls for you. You're the one that has to take wat u know and physically implement it. Not bagging on anyone here just a personal opinion. I think instructors are very good for the game and can help u build a solid foundation, but u have to put in the hours on your own.
 
I got a 4 hour lesson with Charlie Williams last year, & it was definetely beneficial to my game. We went over a lot of aspects of my mechanics & breaking. He is very professional in his teaching. Lucky for me, it was free & he even paid my pool time; he is very generous. To all those who are criticizing him for not being this or that, let's see you run over him in a set. He's the world class player, not you...
 
Joel...I certainly consider the improvement you've made, over the last year and a half, to be "legendary". If others put the information into serious practice, the way you have, they would see the same kinds of jumps in their ability. I gave you a good shove in the right direction (and you've utilized it well, continuing to learn from as many sources as possible)! Congrats, and keep up the good work! :thumbup:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

kaznj said:
After a great 3 hour lesson with Scott Lee he took me out to dinner. Maybe he considers me a "legend".
 
What exactly was being offered for $1,150.00???????????

Jayson said:
I personally think $1150 is waaaay too much. Anyone who wants to play pool can learn the fundamentals from watching or reading. Thats how i learned and i think i play damn good. Anyone who plays good pool can figure out how to play a layout. Nobody can teach you how to execute great shots over and over again. A mental and physical foundation can be taught, but the only way to learn is play play play. No instructor can make balls for you. You're the one that has to take wat u know and physically implement it. Not bagging on anyone here just a personal opinion. I think instructors are very good for the game and can help u build a solid foundation, but u have to put in the hours on your own.

Your post has some merit, but my question still stands. What exactly was being offered for $1,150.00???????????
 
Amen Neil!...especially the last sentence! A great instructor cannot make up for a poor student, just as a poor instructor will be less likely to be able to help an excellent student much. The flipside of learning how to create an accurate and repeatable setup and delivery system, is that you will have more FUN...which is why we play pool to begin with! :thumbup:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Neil said:
No halfway decent instructor has ever claimed that taking a few lessons will automatically make you a better player. They do claim, and rightfully so, that if you practice what you have learned, you will get better. That means time on the table. The lessons expoentially decrease the time that you have to spend on the table figuring out how to do something. And increase the quality of the time you do spend on the table. Because now you are practicing the right things to do, instead of the wrong things.

You don't know what you don't know. And if you really want to know it, it is worth paying for.
 
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