How Rich is Kevin Trudeau?

jjinfla said:
4 million copies of the book have been sold.

I don't care how or where they are sold that is quite a remarkable feat.

Shhh! Don't tell MacGuy that, he will come up with a theory that 3,999,999 people got conned and 1 person bought the book in a store.

Wayne
 
JLW said:
Cuedog- No, I'm not in any way suggesting that Kevin Trudeau is setting up pool players as pawns in some scam. I don't think that's happening, and I don't believe that the pros need me to presume to tell them what's best for them. As a matter of fact, I'm all for them getting as rich as they can through the IPT. The only reason I posted in this thread is because I saw posts I felt excused or diminished his past misdeeds. He's done prison time for being a dishonest businessman. He's had repeated run-ins with the Federal government, but he's rich and he's backing a pool tour, so that makes everything he did in his past off limits for discussion or critique. Right? I don't think so. The fact is, a lot of people don't really know anything about KT. And I don't see it as a public execution or smear campaign to educate them about the guy. I'm not making this stuff up. It's all stuff HE did and said. And yes, I do think to some extent it's bad for professional pool's image to be associated with Kevin Trudeau. Will it be a big deal in the marketing of the IPT? No, I don't think so.

As far as why I care, I care because I think he's shown himself to be a sleazy snake oil salesman who takes advantage of unsuspecting consumers (many of whom are emotionally vulnerable due to severe medical problems). I've never met the guy. Maybe I would change my mind if I did. I repect Colin's opinion, and he seems to think highly of KT.

For me the bottom line is- Support the IPT. Support the players. Support pool. BUT...let's not ignore everything this guy has done in his life simply because he's waving money in our faces.

Good thing he isn't Don King and guilty of killing someone in his past besides all his other misdeeds. Of course, Don King has been terrible for boxing and the fact that boxers are tripping over each other to sign with him so they can become millionaires is meaningless. Lucky he only killed someone and didn't do something really terrible like credit card fraud that might have ruined him.

Wayne
 
sjm said:
Sorry, Wayne. Guess you're right. I veered off in a different direction from that of your post. Yes, I am accountable for what I wrote. I obviously misinterpeted you. I will try to do a little better next time. Lesson learned.

Thanks. Nice response.

Wayne
 
JLW said:
15 in 30 days? Really? :eek: I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you're not an MD.

I'm sorry you are right I am not an MD and if I had known you were in addition to being a health expert I would never have given my opinion. I really didn't know being an MD was a requirement for everyone to give their opinions on health matters.
Wayne
 
jjinfla said:
4 million copies of the book have been sold.

I don't care how or where they are sold that is quite a remarkable feat.

To say the least, there really must be a sucker born every minute as they say, there are certainly more then a few here. The question was, would they have bought it with just a few minutes to flip through it in a book store instead of from an overblown and out and out deceptive TV pitch and the answer is no. It's funny he is faking the reviews now on Amazon. It was like on 1 star and it is now up to 3 1/2 stars. There is a whole rash of nothing but 5 star ratings in just a short time to try to dilute the horrible reviews and rating and it is working they will probably get it up to 4 stars in a few more days if they stay on their computers. Apparently through some glitch some have managed to even give multiple 5 star reviews to Kevin's book. Amazon needs to fix their system to prevent someone like Kevin doing this. Most when you look at their profile, (Like these are real people, yea right) have never reviewed anything else, just 5 star reviewes to Kevin. Poor Kevin, he can't do anything on the up and up if he tried.
 
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wayne said:
I'm sorry you are right I am not an MD and if I had known you were in addition to being a health expert I would never have given my opinion. I really didn't know being an MD was a requirement for everyone to give their opinions on health matters.
Wayne
Wayne- I'm not an MD and I'm not a health expert. So I have the exact same medical training as Kevin Trudeau- NONE.

And as far as Don King is concerned, I think he's a joke, and it's a shame he's in the boxing business. Yes, a lot of boxers want his representation, because he's the best known promoter in the business. And, as you may be aware, a lot of boxers he has represented think he ripped them off. And even though I'm not Kevin Trudeau's biggest fan, I have no problem with him getting into the pool business. I just wish people didn't get so angry and defensive when you discuss his past. Anyone who brings up anything about KT's past is labeled as anti-IPT, anti-pool, or just plain negative. I'm sorry, but I just don't think asking questions is a bad thing. IMHO, it's something Americans should be doing a lot more of. But, hey, that's for the NPR thread.
 
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macguy said:
To say the least, there really must be a sucker born every minute as they say, there are certainly more then a few here. The question was, would they have bought it with just a few minutes to flip through it in a book store instead of from an overblown and out and out deceptive TV pitch and the answer is no. It's funny he is faking the reviews now on Amazon. It was like on 1 star and it is now up to 3 1/2 stars. There is a whole rash of nothing but 5 star ratings in just a short time to try to dilute the horrible reviews and rating and it is working they will probably get it up to 4 stars in a few more days if they stay on their computers. Apparently through some glitch some have managed to even give multiple 5 star reviews to Kevin's book. Amazon needs to fix their system to prevent someone like Kevin doing this. Most when you look at their profile, (Like these are real people, yea right) have never reviewed anything else, just 5 star reviewes to Kevin. Poor Kevin, he can't do anything on the up and up if he tried.

How do you know all of this? For example, I have his book, but do you think I'm a sucker for that? Is that why you haven't read it yet? How do you know who wrote what review and when? Do you work for Amazon or what?

Curious,

Jeff Livingston
 
chefjeff said:
How do you know all of this? For example, I have his book, but do you think I'm a sucker for that? Is that why you haven't read it yet? How do you know who wrote what review and when? Do you work for Amazon or what?

Curious,

Jeff Livingston
The reviews are easy to check, dozens and dozens in just a few days all 5 stars by people who only did the one review. These is very different for other reviews on there. Most are done by people who imagine themselves Roger Ebert and do many many reviews. Also through a glitch in the system there are many that have been spaming so to speak, multiple reviews by the same so called person for Kevin all with 5 stars. Some of the reviews are not reviews at all but ridiculously long sales pitches for the book. There seems to be little in between there are either 1 or 1 1/2 star reviews by what look like real people through their profiles and then 5 star reviews all very recent that are obviously fake.

I don't think you are a sucker if you bought the book. The advertising is powerful and makes you want to take a look at it even if only out of curiosity. I recently got the book by the way at a garage sale for $3.00. My references to suckers is referring to the ones who will support anything he says regardless of how ridicules it is or any proof to the contrary, just blind obedience to their new God Kevin. I don't know why they can't just be honest. You would think he actually has some kind of hold over them or they are afraid in some way. I actually think for the most part they don't even believe what they say themselves.

It also doesn't seem he has practiced what he preaches. If I said Kevin only quit smoking in the last year of so and had to go to a very expensive spa to try to get himself back in shape they would say I was lying although he let it slip in an interview. He is a phony and fake from the word go even when it comes to his own so called beliefs.
 
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macguy said:
The reviews are easy to check, dozens and dozens in just a few days all 5 stars by people who only did the one review. These is very different for other reviews on there. Most are done by people who imagine themselves Roger Ebert and do many many reviews. Also through a glitch in the system there are many that have been spaming so to speak, multiple reviews by the same so called person for Kevin all with 5 stars. Some of the reviews are not reviews at all but ridiculously long sales pitches for the book. There seems to be little in between there are either 1 or 1 1/2 star reviews by what look like real people through their profiles and then 5 star reviews all very recent that are obviously fake.

I don't think you are a sucker if you bought the book. The advertising is powerful and makes you want to take a look at it even if only out of curiosity. I recently got the book by the way at a garage sale for $3.00. My references to suckers is referring to the ones who will support anything he says regardless of how ridicules it is or any proof to the contrary, just blind obedience to their new God Kevin. I don't know why they can't just be honest. You would think he actually has some kind of hold over them or they are afraid in some way. I actually think for the most part they don't even believe what they say themselves.

It also doesn't seem he has practiced what he preaches. If I said Kevin only quit smoking in the last year of so and had to go to a very expensive spa to try to get himself back in shape they would say I was lying although he let it slip in an interview. He is a phony and fake from the word go even when it comes to his own so called beliefs.
There's an old saying, "If you haven't got something good to say about someone, don't say anything." I think it's pretty good advice for most occassions.

If I thought KT was likely to harm the sport or the players I'd speak out as a warning, as I did in the case of evolution billiards.

But seriously, being honest, I think a lot of good will come out of the IPT, even if it doesn't reach the sky as most of us hope it does.

If you're gonna slam KT over Natural Cures, or Coral Calcium or Mega-Memory, you might as well include the entire natural healing industry into the con-man basket. He just knows how to sell it better that most do.
 
Colin Colenso said:
If you're gonna slam KT over Natural Cures, or Coral Calcium or Mega-Memory, you might as well include the entire natural healing industry into the con-man basket. He just knows how to sell it better that most do.

I think to a large degree a lot of that industry is a con regardless of much of it being based on sound information. A lot of what is sold although it may not do any good doesn't do any harm either other then to separate people from their money.
You know one problem I see with the IPT, just as takes place on this board, Kevin becomes the focus of every discussion we are almost never talking about the IPT. In the real world that may also turn out to be the case. I just can't see him on anything but something he is paying for without his current and past dealings getting in the way of the message of the IPT. I don't expect to see him or any of the players on Letterman or Leno just due to his connection. It will be a real struggle to over come his reputation. His name is a synonym for con artist in most peoples minds and it taints the IPT no matter how you look at it. I really believe even though he is putting up the money he needs to be out of the spot light, here as well. If I were an IPT player I would stay on message about the tour and details about what is going on and coming up and forget Kevin and not start threads with a title like this one. Most people just want to know when the DVD's will be out and when the next tournament will take place, not how rich Kevin is.
 
macguy said:
...forget Kevin and not start threads with a title like this one. Most people just want to know when the DVD's will be out and when the next tournament will take place, not how rich Kevin is.

Let's see if no one had started this thread we would not have had to read 18 posts by you on the thread and several thousand words of criticism. I guess I agree with you.

Wayne
 
wayne said:
Let's see if no one had started this thread we would not have had to read 18 posts by you on the thread and several thousand words of criticism. I guess I agree with you.

Wayne

I haven't counted but make it 19 if you are correct as to the number. Now enough about Kevin, what about the tournaments? What is going on with them? Players have bought tables are practicing like crazy get the show on the road. Have there been any new drop outs, who were the ones who dropped out by the way. Any major changes in the works? When are players profiles and pictures going to be posted? I don't know most of these people and want to learn a little about them. Inquiring minds would like to know?
 
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