how to get out?

BRKNRUN said:
Dumb is relative term...and should be left out in reference to shot selection...

(OK sorry.....it was relatively dumb.)

Wayne

You have ball in hand for pete sake...You get to pick how much 9-ball you are going to clip in the first place (if any at all depending on how it lays)...If you know anything about the tangent line, you should be able to "set up" a shot to easily get down table....Yes if there is too much 9-ball in the way you would have to opt for an alternative solution...but with ball in hand and that layout...I am looking for the simple route to the next ball....

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You need to look at the layout again. You would not be clipping the 9 ball, the 6 is more than half a ball past the 9. You are going to be hitting a large part of the 9 ball and it does not allow you to get way down table. The 9 ball is blocking that path. Also, the 7 ball is only a little bit off the rail and I would prefer not to be thin cutting it from 3 diamonds up table.

Wayne
 
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wayne said:
You need to look at the layout again. You would not be clipping the 9 ball, the 6 is more than half a ball past the 9. You are going to be hitting a large part of the 9 ball and it does not allow you to get way down table. The 9 ball is blocking that path. Also, the 7 ball is only a little bit off the rail and I would prefer not to be thin cutting it from 3 diamonds up table.

Wayne
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There is where we differ and the blame falls like usual on the WEI table....What I see is a hanger of a 6 ball with ball in hand. I also see the whole left side of the side pocket...The six is only at most 1/2 into the 9-ball. cut the 6 in a little left of center and it looks to me like you can almost miss the 9-ball altogether... (I said almost)


The way you describe is that you are hitting the 9-ball almost full....That is an different point of view...

I tell you what...It looks like both balls are in line from center diamond to the first diamond past the side pocket...When I get home I will set up the shot and let you know what I find...I am only guessing without being at a table...
 
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BRKNRUN said:
There is where we differ and the blame falls like usual on the WEI table....What I see is a hanger of a 6 ball with ball in hand. I also see the whole left side of the side pocket...The six is only at most 1/2 into the 9-ball. cut the 6 in a little left of center and it looks to me like you can almost miss the 9-ball altogether... (I said almost)


The way you describe is that you are hitting the 9-ball almost full....That is an different point of view...
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I guess my wei is more like Wayne's. I can't possibly see not hitting the 9 almost full or at the very least 3/4's. I think it would be difficult to get a good shot on the 7. And the position that Zeeder diagrammed, although not terrible, but I think you can get better position. JMO.
 
JDB said:
I guess my wei is more like Wayne's. I can't possibly see not hitting the 9 almost full or at the very least 3/4's. I think it would be difficult to get a good shot on the 7. And the position that Zeeder diagrammed, although not terrible, but I think you can get better position. JMO.
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I tried it and based on the layout, I got out both ways just fine...

Yes I had a longer distance from 9-ball to pocket after using the 9-ball to get shape......but nothing that a B level player can't handle.......If it were a C level player they probably would not be able to hit the shot Wayne described int the first place..I actually don't even think you need any inside english for the two railer..Just proper placement of the CB and hit it with follow.....

I guess its just what you feel...either way the first shot is the game winner......
 
Maybe, but

nfty9er said:
I like 4 rails to the short side a lot lot better. That shot is real natural.
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May seem that way, but the diagram has the wrong angle
of reflection off of the first rail hit. The cue ball would end
up coming a lot closer to the 7 than what he shows, or even
scratching in the side or the upper left corner.

Wayne diagrammed the best shape shot, and that is the way
I would shoot it. People that don't get comfortable with
'Inside English' are doing themselves a real disservice, and
putting 'self instilled limits' on their game.
 
LWW said:
I'm with Zeeder on this shot.

Renard, where do you play in Dayton?

LWW
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Various tournaments at Airway, Belmont, Play Time, Sure Shots, and Taylorsville. I also play league 2 night a week out of Gold Coin and Clark Vending.
 
If I knew the table speed and rails well I'd go the 2 rails, but on a table I wasn't sure of I think I'd play the follow through the 9-ball as I believe I can get the CB very close to where I want on this shot without risking the scratch. The only worry is the 9 blocking the 7 but if this looked on, I'd change shot.

If you're not familiar with kissing into and playing shape off secondary balls you could fluff it. This type of shot comes up a lot more in 8-ball than 9-ball. A good 8-baller should be able to read if it's easy, and play it accordingly.

JMHO
 
nfty9er said:
I like 4 rails to the short side a lot lot better. That shot is real natural.
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4 rail leave isn't that hard, but it is real variable if you arent that great a player... Zeeders shot has the advantage of simplicity... you simply have to factor in the speed to get to the 7 with a little angle... the 9 will lazily go down the rail (you would really have to make a mistake on speed to have the 9 block the 7 shot)...

The position from the 7 to the 8 is simple and you can focus on getting on the right side of the 8 so that getting to the nine is easy (even if the nine only traveled 4 inches down the rail it will be easy to set up a short down the rail 9 shot)...

Going 4 rails with spin just adds too many variables on one shot... I would rather take 4 easy shots with easy position play... I can see trying to get to the 7 with 3-4 rails and tying up the 7 much of the time or being like 70+ degree angle if you are a little off...

JMHO
 
BRKNRUN said:
There are a lot of variables...The way you describe is definatley more "flashy" for the crowd....but I don't care what anyone says....I am looking for the easy route first....If it is not available I can always hit the shot your described......
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Thats why your name is brknrun... wish I had read that far first as you said pretty much the same thing as me...

Always take the simplest approach and eliminate variables... I am sure I could get there going 3-4 rails too, but maybe the guy asking the question isn't as skilled at doing this (hence the reason for the question)...


BTW how do you use those WEI tables... does it PERFORM the shot or is it just diagraming it?
 
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Wow! Thank you very much for all the replies. You've all given me a lot to work on! I spent some time last night trying out all your suggestions.

Chuck, you are right on - I'm probably a strong C player at best (hence the confusion over a four ball out!). I like JDB's three/four railer to the short side, but I can't consistently pull that off, particularly under pressure. And Azri's out is way, way out of my league.

Zeeder, I like the creative option you suggested. For me this seems the easiest way to guarantee decent shape on the seven. Granted, you have to knock the 9 away from the hole, but really there is no way to miss position with this shot.

Wayne's shot seems like the one I should have known, and the one I need to add to my toolkit. I guess I haven't really learned how to use inside english properly yet. When I manage to hit this one right it is really a beautiful shot - the english doesn't pick up until the second rail, where it kills most of the cue ball's bounce, and whitey just slides right into perfect position.

Bottom line: I know I'm new here and I really appreciate you all taking time to answer my question. I feel I'm getting smarter already :)
 
wayne said:
You need to look at the layout again. You would not be clipping the 9 ball, the 6 is more than half a ball past the 9. You are going to be hitting a large part of the 9 ball and it does not allow you to get way down table. The 9 ball is blocking that path. Also, the 7 ball is only a little bit off the rail and I would prefer not to be thin cutting it from 3 diamonds up table.

Wayne
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The 9 no more blocks your path than any ball stops you from following through. Just play with follow and adjust to the angle the CB will come off the 6 ball and the contact point on the 9-ball.
 
Colin Colenso said:
The 9 no more blocks your path than any ball stops you from following through. Just play with follow and adjust to the angle the CB will come off the 6 ball and the contact point on the 9-ball.
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BTW, at the pool hall today I set up this shot and asked my buddy (with no prior knowledge of this thread) what he would do with ball in hand on this shot...

Guess what happened:


He took ball in hand and went for the 3-4 rail shot (not waynes with inside english... he used outside to try and get around...). On the first try he almost scratched in the side on the 3rd rail and came up short on the speed leaving the cue ball in middle of table with 85-90 degree angle on the 7 ball (so he woulda pretty much had to bank or play safe...). He tried again and successfully shot it with the proper speed...

I then took Zeeders (and my) approach... clipped the 9 it rolled 3-4 inches down rail away from the side, but I had perfect shapes on the 7 first time and I ran it out... It was my first attempt at the shot overall...

Point is: I may have been able to come in and successfully navigate the 3-4 rail leave (with or without inside english), but then again there is always the possibility I would come up short too... I am like a B player...
 
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