How to handle this shot??

jingle

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This shot came up last night while I was practicing. It was humid so the balls and cushions were a little sticky. The 8 is frozen to the rail, and I could not get it to drop. I tried no english, I tried OE and I tried IE, but nothing would work. Position on the 9 would be tough anyway, so is a safety the best option here? Or is there a trick to making the 8 that I haven't tried?
 
Neil said:
Why wouldn't it drop? Did you just keep missing the pocket? Or you couldn't get all the way to the pocket and hold position??
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I couldn't seem to hit it thin enough. On every shot, the 8 would grab the cushion and veer wide of the pocket. I even tried a few times not worrying about leave and just trying to make the 8, I made it once that way but scratched in the side. I have to think the humid/sticky conditions had an impact because I can usually cut balls very thin.

BTW, thanks for the wei advice (this is my first time using it)
 
The ball drops on decent equipment. That's strange. Of course IE aids in keeping the 8 traveling along the rail.
 
Well, the best safe is to make it...I think you shoot it medium speed...touch of low left...try to leave CB close to either rail and get ready for a bit of a tester on the 9...

If you must have your opponenent come to the table again, I feel the only safe is hitting the 8 hard with hi-R, hoping for:

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I like Black-Balled first option...somewhat...I would take the shot...I don't know what 'other rail' you're thinking about...seems the cue ball stays right about there...

I would play the 8-ball cross-corner...it looks just about dead on...especially with the sticky rails...stop the cue ball right there...a little off the rail...for a decent shot on the 9-ball...if you miss the 8-ball will likely travel as in Black-Ball's diagram...leaving a difficult shot for your opponent.

Mike
 
jingle said:
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This shot came up last night while I was practicing. It was humid so the balls and cushions were a little sticky. The 8 is frozen to the rail, and I could not get it to drop. I tried no english, I tried OE and I tried IE, but nothing would work. Position on the 9 would be tough anyway, so is a safety the best option here? Or is there a trick to making the 8 that I haven't tried?
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Hit the rail first, no side english, go straight across to the opposite rail and let the spin the cueball picks up bring you back across again below the side straight in on the nine.
 
unknownpro said:
Hit the rail first, no side english, go straight across to the opposite rail and let the spin the cueball picks up bring you back across again below the side straight in on the nine.
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You gotta diagram that...!
 
Go rail-first and make the 8 with a hair of inside draw - medium speed.

Accept the shot on the 9 and get out.

This is a pretty high run % - you should play for the out, not the safe.
 
KoolKat9Lives said:
The ball drops on decent equipment. That's strange. Of course IE aids in keeping the 8 traveling along the rail.
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How is that??????? Thanks, randyg
 
Funny. I was just practicing this shot in School.

I was very successful with a very high speed low-inside English shot. The cueball reversed off the second rail and stayed in good position for the 9-Ball.....SPF=randyg
 
unknownpro said:
Hit the rail first, no side english, go straight across to the opposite rail and let the spin the cueball picks up bring you back across again below the side straight in on the nine.
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That would be my suggestion as well. It's a tough shot, but it can be done.
 
randyg said:
Funny. I was just practicing this shot in School.

I was very successful with a very high speed low-inside English shot. The cueball reversed off the second rail and stayed in good position for the 9-Ball.....SPF=randyg
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That's the shot I was saying above - you don't have to hit high speed. Medium floats you sweeeeet.
 
randyg said:
Funny. I was just practicing this shot in School.

I was very successful with a very high speed low-inside English shot. The cueball reversed off the second rail and stayed in good position for the 9-Ball.....SPF=randyg
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Although I do normally like using inside english on shots such as these, I'm not sure I'd play this particular one this way.

When you use inside english, you're hoping to hit the rail first and then the object ball. If you do it that way, you'll get randyg's result. If you hit the ball first, you're going to float further away from the 9ball.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to lay-up here. Hit the 8ball in flat and accept the long shape on the 9.


Once again, it's hard for me to say exactly what I'd do. I can see feeling very comfortable using english and I can see myself feeling very comfortable about hitting it flat. The most important thing is that you think offense. YOU HAVE TO try and pocket these balls. Yes, you can play safe but it's reasonable to believe you're not going to improve your odds of winning by much, if at all.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Go rail-first and make the 8 with a hair of inside draw - medium speed.

Accept the shot on the 9 and get out.

This is a pretty high run % - you should play for the out, not the safe.
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That shot was my first inclination as well. When I couldn't make it, I started trying the other shots. I think this is the right shot, I just need to practice it more.

Thanks to everyone for the good feedback.
 
I think the key to making this shot is to ignore the rail and shoot it like every other cut shot you've been making with the same conditions. If the balls are sticky, then you've been overcutting a little to compensate, and the ball being against the rail doesn't change the need or your ability to do that. Yes, you'll hit slightly rail first, but the CB will sink into the rail the tiny amount needed without changing the hit on the OB.

pj
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unknownpro said:
Hit the rail first, no side english, go straight across to the opposite rail and let the spin the cueball picks up bring you back across again below the side straight in on the nine.
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This is the way to shoot this shot. Hitting the rail only VERY, VERY slightly before the object ball, just as unknownpro suggests.

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