How to Pocket the 8-BALL ON THE BREAK

westcoast said:
We often have 4 man bar table tournaments at my house or some of my other friends that have a table. We do race to 2, double elimination, winner breaks. In one tournament, my friend caught a groove and dialed in the spot to break and made 5 eight balls on the break! He made 2 eight balls in a row on me! We thought of changing the rule of 8 ball break winning, but hardly anybody has made the 8 ball on the break since.
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IMO, 8 ball on the break should not be a win.
 
dr_dave said:
If you use less speed, you need a little bottom or outside spin to send the CB across into the rack area, and more bottom or outside if you want the CB to head more toward center table. I prefer using faster speed and coming straight across the table with a center-ball hit (which is more accurate nd consistent).
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It does work surprisingly well the center ball hit, the first tree times the 8 is almost going but also the cueball comes back into the rack much easier for me than trying to get it there with English
 
Fatboy said:
I remember one day I walked into the pool room in vegas, 2 Mexican guys (from Mexico) were playing each other 8B. Both were very strong players-they weren’t hiding their speed. They were looking for action. I would have got robbed, so I watched.

Anyways a hour or 2 later they found a game. I don’t recall who they played-possibly Toby the 1P player from Ok. I can’t spell his last name.

Anyways the guy was breaking with the 2nd ball and got more action on the 8B than I had ever seen. Wood rack 1992, used balls so no tricks.

I remember the guys on the rail talking about that break, was similar to SVB’s 10B break, for what ever reason it was just “better” than any other 8B break I had ever seen. The rail more less had the same opinion.

I don’t recall who won, it was a close game. Funny I recall that. But that break I’ll never forget. I switched to it almost full time playing 8B after that day. It’s treated me well.

Funny how some things that you see you never forget and I can’t remember what I had for dinner 2 days ago.
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Thanks for the story.


Fatboy said:
Great video

Best
Fatboy 😀
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Thanks, and ditto.
 
dr_dave said:
If you use less speed, you need a little bottom or outside spin to send the CB across into the rack area, and more bottom or outside if you want the CB to head more toward center table. I prefer using faster speed and coming straight across the table with a center-ball hit (which is more accurate nd consistent).
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Wouldn't you risk the cb jumping off the table with greater speed?
Edit: on a bar box.
 
In 1982 I made the 8 on the break 3x in a row playing 5.00 a game. Guy spouts off "Vegas odds are 100 to 1". I said I am in and slapped a 20 down. Broke and made the 8. He throws another 5 at me and said "f!#$ off I ain't ever playing you again". And he never did.
 
Regarding barbox v 9 ft. Overlay showed corner ball takes same angle of approach, but hits high on a 9 ft. Why doesn’t the 8 ball take the same angle on both tables?

On the 9 ft table it seemed that it relied on a kiss to send 8 towards the side, while the barbox sent the 8 towards the side right off the bat? If the corner ball is same angle shouldn’t the 8 be as well if struck same place on 2nd row?
 
u12armresl said:
So you trade cue ball control for a "chance" at "maybe" making the 8.
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I still use the second ball break on the toy tables. I find that getting a good rack in a bar ain't gonna happen and there are benefits in these situations.

The head ball is never frozen but at least one of the next two are usually locked to the 8. That will usually provide enough cueball resistance to prevent scratching or worse, the limp noodle effect.
Chances of pocketing a ball in the bottom corners is good and more often than not, the slug rack will provide an offensive mess for the incoming player should you break empty.
If I get someone who will make the effort to rack "professionally" then I break from in front.
 
Excuse me, but are you going to rack professionally or give me a slug rack?
I need to know so I can break accordingly.
straightline said:
I still use the second ball break on the toy tables. I find that getting a good rack in a bar ain't gonna happen and there are benefits in these situations.

The head ball is never frozen but at least one of the next two are usually locked to the 8. That will usually provide enough cueball resistance to prevent scratching or worse, the limp noodle effect.
Chances of pocketing a ball in the bottom corners is good and more often than not, the slug rack will provide an offensive mess for the incoming player should you break empty.
If I get someone who will make the effort to rack "professionally" then I break from in front
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EddieBme said:
Wouldn't you risk the cb jumping off the table with greater speed?
Edit: on a bar box.
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Yes, if the speed is too fast, especially if the cue isn’t as level as possible. I use fairly fast speed with my center-ball bar-box breaks in the video. I didn’t jump the CB off the table once.
 
VarmintKong said:
Regarding barbox v 9 ft. Overlay showed corner ball takes same angle of approach, but hits high on a 9 ft. Why doesn’t the 8 ball take the same angle on both tables?

On the 9 ft table it seemed that it relied on a kiss to send 8 towards the side, while the barbox sent the 8 towards the side right off the bat? If the corner ball is same angle shouldn’t the 8 be as well if struck same place on 2nd row?
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The 8-ball motion is not very consistent and depends a lot on how tight the rack is. The 8 also often gets kissed on the bar box.
 
dr_dave said:
I actually prefer the bridging on the right side, where I can put my inside finger under or even against (or grabbing) the cushion, but both sides feel equally comfortable to me.




Thanks. I'm glad you thought so.
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I play a lot of 8 ball and I experimented on this for years.

I get better action on the break from the left side, for some reason I don't know.

I use just a bit of outside (left) per Miz, and keep the cue very level. I also put the cueball at least one ball width from the rail. Too close hampers getting proper side on it. The old Valleys prevent this placement due to the high chrome corner covers getting in the way.

I also do not hit it hard. A solid hit on the second ball is the key.


Jeff Livingston
 
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