How to practice?

Most YouTube instruction is worth less than you pay for it.

Some people can't get anything out of books. Some people can. For people like me, written instruction is as good as or better than video... Generally much better. Presenting information by video is difficult and most instruction on YouTube suffers for it. The same can be said for writing, but generally someone puts a lot more thought into writing a book than they would making a video.

As for the op, what you are really asking for is a magic bullet. You don't have enough desire to improve, until you do, you won't improve.
well It’s just like picking an instructor you have to be careful who you get your instructions from
Yeah, but I didn't and wouldn't recommend that for someone to start off with because there's too much information out there and it's too easy to get into things out of order and learn concepts that you shouldn't be focusing on to start off with. Books or learning series videos will give you foundational structure ro build on.

Ideally, you would find a good instructor to use. The key there is a good instructor though. If you don't have access to one or don;t have the funds for one to start off, I think that books or an instructional series is the better way to go.

Jaden
that can be true. you can have info Over load. Strangely enough I think for a newer player dr. Cue is good. His lessons start from the basics and work their way up to advanced But of course watch one and work on it and then go back .
 
One thing that has helped me is to be assertive with the cue. I don’t mean hitting everything hard, but make sure your stroke finishes strongly. (On low speed shots you can do this by shortening your backstroke, still finishing assertively yet with low speed).
If I notice myself "pussy footing" or decelerating on a stroke I'll often think the words "deliberate stroke" as the last part of my psr before I get down on the shot. It usually only takes a few shots to get back to stroking shots correctly.

Even a tiny bunt of a shot can and should be shot deliberately.
 
I appreciate all of the replies. Based on time or information, I'm probably not the typical "beginner". My Fargo is only 345, though, and it's definitely earned, lol. I wouldn't argue "beginner" if we're talking about consistent execution. One of the better players I know has consistently stated "you play above your rating" and complimented my stroke prior to my last break from playing. I need to get back to that. I'm a brainy guy, so I know more than I can consistently execute. Why the inconsistency? Well, if I really knew that, I would have fixed it by now.

I have taken one lesson from a pro. He definitely had some good things for me about my stroke. He "fixed" my stance, but sadly, I could not maintain how he wanted my stance due to it wrenching my shoulder too far back to be in that position. It was actually painful after playing for 30 minutes or so to try to pull and hold my shoulder where he wanted it. The price, however, is why it was only one lesson. Don't know of anyone that costs less that would be a qualified one to go to. I should do some research on that.

I feel like you guys offered as good of advise as you probably can without actually watching me shoot and coaching. I did buy a couple of books. We'll see how well I do with that. In the end, a lot of the advise I think boils down to my last comment in my OP. I just need the discipline.

Thanks, everyone.
 
I appreciate all of the replies. Based on time or information, I'm probably not the typical "beginner". My Fargo is only 345, though, and it's definitely earned, lol. I wouldn't argue "beginner" if we're talking about consistent execution. One of the better players I know has consistently stated "you play above your rating" and complimented my stroke prior to my last break from playing. I need to get back to that. I'm a brainy guy, so I know more than I can consistently execute. Why the inconsistency? Well, if I really knew that, I would have fixed it by now.

I have taken one lesson from a pro. He definitely had some good things for me about my stroke. He "fixed" my stance, but sadly, I could not maintain how he wanted my stance due to it wrenching my shoulder too far back to be in that position. It was actually painful after playing for 30 minutes or so to try to pull and hold my shoulder where he wanted it. The price, however, is why it was only one lesson. Don't know of anyone that costs less that would be a qualified one to go to. I should do some research on that.

I feel like you guys offered as good of advise as you probably can without actually watching me shoot and coaching. I did buy a couple of books. We'll see how well I do with that. In the end, a lot of the advise I think boils down to my last comment in my OP. I just need the discipline.

Thanks, everyone.

The whole secret to practice is finding something that holds your interest, whether for an hour or perhaps more.

That can be drills, or in my case 14.1. In your case, just breaking the balls wide open and seeing if you can run them all off, and then later seeing how many consecutive racks you can do that might be a start. I promise you will learn as you proceed with the Man v Mountain approach. IF that doesn't hold your interest... maybe pool is not for you.

Lou Figueroa
 
Here's the outline I use for beginners' clinics. It has some stroke/mechanics drills. Also, if you don't understand all of the points in the Basics I and II outlines, you have some studying to do.


As @bbb pointed out, what you probably need is a good instructor -- one that can check your fundamentals and suggest fixes.

If you really want to get better, you are going to have to put in time on the table. From your post, it sounds like you are unable to put in any useful practice time -- you just mindlessly hit the balls. I don't think anyone here can help you with that problem. Maybe find practice drills that are scored and keep track of your scores.
This is great. Thank you for sharing. It "feels" a little more fundamental than where I'm at, except I know my stroke has slipped due to time off. It's not so much needing to "learn" these as re-establish them and rebuild the consistency with it, so I'll definitely try it out.

The stripped ball drill reminds me of one I used to use a long time ago I forgot about. Using the striped ball on a 6-10" stun shot and keeping the stripe stable. I think that helped my stroke the first time I "learned" it. Should do it again in addition to the ones in this pdf.
 
The whole secret to practice is finding something that holds your interest, whether for an hour or perhaps more.

That can be drills, or in my case 14.1. In your case, just breaking the balls wide open and seeing if you can run them all off, and then later seeing how many consecutive racks you can do that might be a start. I promise you will learn as you proceed with the Man v Mountain approach. IF that doesn't hold your interest... maybe pool is not for you.

Lou Figueroa

Before I took the year off, I used to do a simple version of this, I guess.
Rack like 8 ball.
Break.
Ball in hand.
Any ball goes, including the 8.
Score the number I could run without missing.

I used to keep the average on a whiteboard of the last 10 and see how high I could push it.
Only cleared the table once.
Really hoped I would see progression, but like now, I just didn't do it enough.
I like it for practice, though. Should incorporate it again.
 
Before I took the year off, I used to do a simple version of this, I guess.
Rack like 8 ball.
Break.
Ball in hand.
Any ball goes, including the 8.
Score the number I could run without missing.

I used to keep the average on a whiteboard of the last 10 and see how high I could push it.
Only cleared the table once.
Really hoped I would see progression, but like now, I just didn't do it enough.
I like it for practice, though. Should incorporate it again.
One out is like waayy ahead of yourself. Throw all the balls out and use the ducks to work on your fundamentals. OBSERVE. Learn the 1, 2 foot around the collision. Pay attention to exactly how the balls are acting; speed, precise directions and rebounds, and the landings thereof. Do this for a year.
 
Also have to be honest with yourself. Do you want to get better, is this your passion? If not it’s just a frustrating chore!
 
I got back into the game three years ago after a long absence. Had a table when I was young and became a good shotmaker, but I lack good fundamentals. So I have been practicing a ton - 90% of the 10-15 hours I play each week is practice.

I improved tremendously, but I still would regularly miss a shot here or there that I knew I should make.

Finally realized my stroke was the problem.

There is no understating this. It's the amino acid of pool - the building block of everything else. As Neils Feijin says, they don't hand you a good stroke on a street corner. For the past year, I have been unlearning bad habits and developing good ones.

What's really important is to practice at a slower, more methodical pace. Rushing to finish drills merely leads to a poor stroke.

Working on one's stroke is not exactly fun, however. So you need to work on you stroke while you are doing drills.

Plenty of good drills on the web. I love all Tor Lowry's stuff, starting with centerball training. Pretty cheap. Neils Feijin has the best free ones. I also highly recommend Bulleye Billiards, a great 200-shot progression program for beginning and intermediate players.
 
I'm clearly biased, so shooting in a game-like format appeals to me. Is this less optimal, though? From what I've heard, this isn't a very focused way to get better, so progress may be slower.
Any pool is better than no pool...a mantra to apply often.

Both gameplay and specific focus time have benefits.

For gameplay, I think a rotation game- use 3+ balls and run out with ball in hand- and 8 ball are both useful

Lots of play is really the only way you're going to develop the hitting balls part. Predictable, repeatable and dependable are possible.
 
The key to pool is consistency. If you can't repeat what you are doing 99%+ of the time your playing is going to suffer. I've always felt the X drill works wonders on consistent straight stroke.
 
"I've never had an actual table run in any format 8/9/10 ball, but have had quite a few 5-7 ball runs/outs...followed by missing the next couple of easy shots."

Probably one of the worst strategies there is, cleaning off 5-6 balls (trash for your opponent) and handing table over to him. They love situations like this, as they often run out from there. You surely need a good practice strategy to consistently use, "if" you want to get better.
 
Nice that you are back in a pool playing phase. But given that when you're not in league, you don't play at all and that you have some ball slapping sessions as 'practice' only some of the time even when you are playing, maybe you just don't care enough about pool and nothing anyone writes here will light a fire in you. Not even saying this is all that bad as a great line I read just this week in these forums was attributed to an old hustler saying, "Kid, when you're on your deathbed, you won't be asking for another day in a pool hall." So go live life and enjoy what you enjoy. If that ain't pool, that's alright.

It shouldn't feel like a grind. Practice is easy when you hate to lose and hate to perform poorly. There's a fire to that chase of the next level. Time and energy need be invested so you have to want it. Nobody can teach you to want it.

As for a practice tip, play ghost with 3 ball in hands per rack. Take note of the shots you failed on and set em up and shoot em after the race so they don't end ur innings as often. Simple. Fun enough. Should hold ur interest. If you are particularly prone to losing interest in setting shots up, then just do so right after each rack. Spend as much time on the flubbed shots as on the rack itself and move on to the next rack.

obv a good instructor in your area is a great idea. But this is a terrible investment if you won't commit to putting in the work after your lesson, so given the level of commitment to pool you've indicated in your write-up, probably save your money and see what you can get from a free resource like Neils Feijen on YT.

FWIW, the guy who put you in a position you can't play from without pain probably falls short of the 'good' instructor label, regardless of the cost. There is no shortage of instructors that know and love one particular setup and force every student into it. If the student is a good fit for the style they teach and have a body that can do what they preach, they are great. But with a bad match to their rigid formula for a good stroke, they are worse than useless.
 
Video yourself doing 1/2 dozen hard drills. Come up with your own or just use what others do or in a pool book.
If you cannot see your mistakes, not just feel them, you cannot & will not fix your flaws faster or even completely.

I have 7-8 drills I’ve done for the past 50 years. The drills are hard which makes it all the more satisfying. When I go to
a pool hall, I never scatter balls on a table and shoot or just play racks. That is really a waste of my time. My stepdad
was a hustler back in the 30’s playing pool in NY’s Bowery District. He played the best pool players and there was a
lot of men looking for a quick sawbuck. Times were tough and money was tight….high unemployment….it was hard .

When he first took me to Ames Billiards in Times Square, I was 16 years old. The Hustler had been released a few months earlier. He told me something that most better players already knew. “Always practice with a purpose or don’t bother trying.” You don’t learn much hitting balls versus working on the weakest part of your game. You always practice seriously and with a plan or else you are likely reinforcing bad habits. Watch pro golfers hit balls before they play in a tournament. They just don’t take clubs to hit randomly. They practice with a routine, a plan and it works too.

If you want to be the best player you can, if you take the game seriously, develop a practice routine, stick to it and most
of all, measure your progress. Not mentally but take the time to actually document it. Establish benchmarks so you can
immediately see if you are progressing, plateaued, or going backwards. If you do not measure your improvement, i.e.,
progress, you will misunderstand and not know what to do or how to become a better pool player. So stick to a plan.

Have a routine….hit balls every day…..for just a 1/2 hr even…..but do it with a purposeful plan or don’t bother hoping
you’ll become a stronger pool player. Not going to happen because hope isn’t a strategy for attaining success. Nope,
commitment and earnest practice will take you a lot further in pool than hope and good intentions will ever take you.

Again, just my opinion but the best players in the world have a practice routine and you need to find your own…I did.
 
You don’t learn much hitting balls versus working on the weakest part of your game.

Playing vs. others is a lot more fun once you know what you are doing.

When I got back into pool, I quickly got bored of playing eight or nineball at home by myself. Why? I wasn't really learning anything.

I soon started looking for tutorials and good drills to systematically build up my game. I much to prefer to spend my pool time practicing, and practicing specific things. That's the best way by far to get better.

I play a few games after some practice sessions, but mostly to measure my progress.
 
I have seen so many players "practice" for hours and hours a day , and not get better,
Number 1 is to find a practice regimen or 2 you enjoy doing,
Mine was Joe Tuckers, I highly recommend them . I don't get anything for saying this, he probably would not know me, if he went past me in a pool room , although I did meet him long ago.. But I had a hard time practicing and his always kept my attention.
You must practice as though you were playing a serious match, otherwise, don't waste your time.
Accept at the very beginning ,that you will have good days and bad days, a great day here and there, and some days you will just say f..it and quit, it's all ok, if you are too tired or stressed from work or whatever, try a few shots, if it's pissing you off, go do something else, you will do more harm than good.
Ok. Joes drills are based on some of the most common and necessary shots you will play. They are not trick shots, full table draw , etc. leave that for when you have mastered everything else and need those shots to get to the next plateau. Probably never. What this means is that , as soon as you start doing the drills correctly ,[with the intent of really improving} you will get the shots in real games , recognize them , remember that you used to suck at some of them and now you make them a large part of the time, that is great reinforcement! Never ever give yourself anything! That will end your improvement as well as anything can.
If there is a shot you can't do , either because your table has a problem, or you just don't understand it or have the stroke have a pro check it first, if he can't do it either , then move the ball or the cueball ,until it is possible, if there are more than 2 or 3 of those , get your table fixed.
Master that pre shot routine! I would have been a much better player my whole life, if I had just done this one thing. I was stubborn, plus I was always hustling till the last few years , so I didn't want a pre shot routine, it is what good players do, I did not want to even give the impression "good player". At least once a week, take a day off from practicing shot making and play ball speed drills, mostly cueball ,but also some object ball speed drills , if nothing else get down the one railers really well. kicks and banks, Being better than your opponent at this ,wins lots of games. Especially at lower skill levels.
Setting goals seems like a good idea, they only frustrated me, if I got there too fast, I eased up on the practices, if I didn't get there I was mad at myself, why? I had no idea when I made that goal what was even possible so it's silly to get angry about not making it, but I did. so do other people. So back to number 1 , it has to be fun or it won't work. try as many as it takes ,until you find one you really enjoy, do it for a couple of weeks and if it isn't working , start looking again.
You said in the original post that you have a shoulder problem, if it makes you sore to practice, forget about it until you get fixed or heal,
If you do that corner pocket drill of his every day for 2 months correctly , I say correctly because a APA level 3 or 4 or even up to 6 will have some problems understanding some of it , get help! If you try and can't get someone local, pm me , I will try to help you, Good luck to anyone who trys this, I would love to hear how you are doing. Getting better takes work, and it has to be the correct work, gambling can help harden you but it is definitely not necessary to improve, especially from bench jockey to shortstop level.
 
Playing vs. others is a lot more fun once you know what you are doing.

When I got back into pool, I quickly got bored of playing eight or nineball at home by myself. Why? I wasn't really learning anything.

I soon started looking for tutorials and good drills to systematically build up my game. I much to prefer to spend my pool time practicing, and practicing specific things. That's the best way by far to get better.

I play a few games after some practice sessions, but mostly to measure my progress.
You sound like someone practically minded. And when you can see your progress, you derive a greater sense of
satisfaction. In turn, that gives you more enjoyment because what you are striving to do, i.e.,get better, is happening
right before your eyes. And being able to measure your progress lets you know how really good you are becoming.

At the same time, you can readily see times when your stroke is off and you can compare how you are doing with
what I refer to as your index. This lets you easily compare how you are shooting against your average and your personal best. It’s amazing how enjoyable drills can be when one has the mental stamina and practice approach.

I think I have a drill you’d enjoy. It’s been a favorite of mine since the early 2000’s. I call it triple S…..Spot Shot Shape.

Place a OB on the spot and take CB in hand in the kitchen. Pick either CP and pocket the OB letting the cue ball come to rest wherever it is. Place a OB on the spot and play it to the same CP and every time to pocket the OB you play the next shot where the CB lies. You never move the CB until you miss, and you will rattling an OB sooner or later. Okay….

How many can you pocket in a row? And when you do miss, repeat this same drill to the opposite CP. How many can
you pocket in a row? Do it 10 times in a row? Establish an average for both CPs. When you miss, you get zero rather
than one and see what your average is after 10 attempts. Betcha you have a pocket you favor. Most people over cut
the first OB attempt after switching pockets. Establish an average for both CPs. Keep in mind after the initial spot shot, you are placing shape on the spot and all subsequent OBs have to go in the same pocket. Why is this even helpful?

If you have ever played in a cash ring game, you know how important it is to consistently pocket the spot shot if it’s the 5 or 10 ball so the better you get at it, the more cash you’ll rake in. You develop more cue ball speed and position play because you really want the CB to play as close to 1/2 table shape as possible and avoid heading toward the head string resulting in harder shots to make and regain position. Whenever you do this exercise drill, even before playing in a pool tournament, you can see if you are performing near, better or worse, than your average for that CP. You have instant feedback and see if you are stroking with the right CB speed, getting desired position, are you over cutting ot undercutting your misses, are your stop and draw strokes working, etc? And when you are on a run, it builds your confidence enormously and when you aren’t meeting your averages, figure out where and why you’re missing.

When you’ve done this drill hundreds of times, and at my age I’ve done it more than I can reliably estimate but
probably more than any most readers would ever do, you can quickly spot any issues fast. Sometimes it will be
the table your playing but you know there’s a list of factors that can affect how you feel, focus & concentrate and
ultimately perform. But when you are intimately familiar with how you have previously commanded the ball to act
doing this drill, you reach back to your innner self and try resurrecting that stroke feeling. Let’s face the hard truth.

It always comes down to your pool stroke and some days it seems better than others. A great pool player makes the
most of his off days in competitive play by not trying to shoot his way back into form but instead playing smarter shot selection for what is working that day. There’s is nothing wrong with using center ball, stop shots and smooth follow
strokes when English seems to betray at the worst of times. Doing this drill puts you in touch with your familiar stroke.

Anyway, the drill seems easier than it is when you have high expectations which start after you start pocketing a dozen
or more OBs in a row as your average. Remember any one time can set a personal best, a new single high score but your average is what you want. So it requires keeping notes. After doing it as often as myself, and for more advanced
players, you stop being interested in your average. Instead, you substitute you highest score ever attained because it
becomes what you should do the next time doing the SSS drill and anything less is annoying and just unacceptable.

I introduced this to a friend getting ready to compete in a pro tournament. It was amazing to see his progress and indeed, he did have a favorite pocket too. One of the things that was beautiful to see is how perfectly he’d roll an OB into the pocket on a backward cut shot when he lost position and regained his table run. By tournament time, he was averaging 35 on the LCP and 33 RCP and watching him perform this drill was so enjoyable. I can’t do more than a dozen on a good day with my bum shoulders but watching him shoot was like a live tutorial that you want to cheer.
 
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Have you ever really wanted to devote yourself to rise to a much higher level? If you have, Bob Jewett is another master to contact.
 
By Joe Richman
May 26, 1988 at 8:00 p.m. EDT
ALL THE RIGHT MOVES
Pool was meant to be played in bars. Dark, cigarette-stained bars.
One benefit of being a good pool player is automatic membership to
thousands of these places across the country. But if you are not a whiz
at the game, challenging a stranger and playing in front of other people
can be frightening.
Fear, however, is no reason to sit and nurse your beer while everyone
else has fun. The beautiful quality of bar pool is that you don't have
to be able to shoot well to play like a pro: All you need are the right
moves.
The Scene: There is one table in the middle of a damp barroom where a
guy named "Zeus" has just sent his third victim back to the bar. Your
quarter is up, people are watching, you are a bad pool player. What do
you do?
MOVE #1 (The Survey): After every shot your opponent takes, you must
spend an appropriate amount of time surveying the table. This gives the
impression that you are not looking just for your next shot, but rather
where to leave the cue ball to set up your following shots. Like a chess
player, you want to be thinking a few moves ahead. Don't worry if you
can't make your first shot; you're looking past that one.
The Survey can be a good time to chalk your stick. SOme people prefer
to twist the tip of the stick and hold the chalk firm, while others move
the chalk while holding the stick steady. Whatever method you feel
comfortable with, the important thing is that after you've got a good
layer of chalk on your tip, give that end of the stick a little tap
against the pool table and let the chalk dust float into the air. Done
right, it can be quite intimidating.
MOVE #2 (The Line): The most important thing to remember while
surveying is The Line. The Line is: "bad leave" (i.e., you were not left
with any easy shots). The Line must be muttered to yourself but, of
course, loudly enough for everyone to hear. You must say "bad leave"
every time your opponent gives up his/her turn. There are no alternative
phrasings.
MOVE #3 (The Disinterested Observer): While your adversary is
shooting, talk to a friend if any can be found at the bar (now would be
a good time to make some). Do not, however, talk about the game in
progress. Try not to pay too much attention to how well your opponent is
doing. Buy more beer.
MOVE #4 (The Bail-Out): If all else fails, just make sure that your
rival (and everyone else in the bar) assumes you were not taking the
game very seriously. Smile, quote television commercials, laugh to
yourself after missed shots, and buy more beer. If you pull it off, your
opponent may be led to believe that you've won a moral victory. And you
have.
If you look good while you're up there and you have all the right
moves, no one is going to notice that your shots aren't going in.
Remember, in bar pool it's not whether you win or lose but how you
play the game.
Freelancer Joe Richman grew up in Washington, where he placed third
in a 12-and-under neighborhood pool tournament. He is now working
 
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