How Would You Play This? 7/7/09

Well said

sjm said:
The one's position is at about 1.7 diamonds. The position of the five is at about .8 diamonds. To get this safety, therefore, you need to follow the cue ball apporiximately one foot while not hitting the one hard enough for it to travel more than two and a half feet, which would a guarantee a see on it. It takes more than a slow roll to get that much follow. At very least, I'd call it difficult to pull this one off, and I'd guess it's a twenty to one shot that a "C" player would pull it off on the first attempt.
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I don't like how people are jumping down on Neil for calling this a tough safe. I wanna see any one put this shot on a diamond set up exactly how it is and have the results they estimate. It's too tough to get the 1 to stop from leaking out and coming back up with rails as bouncy as the ones on Jude's table in question. If its a slow table maybe but the angle doesn't lay right. You have to use the rails to your advantage and choose one of the other options which create distance or lock the cue ball up using another ball. IMO.
 
Ya.. I guess

Neil said:
That's just because on the cuetable, it looks like an obvious, easy choice. If they were to set it up on a real table, they would find out that it just doesn't work.
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I guess its just because i spend alot of time on a table that I can see it wont work. Its kind of weird how that works. In any case. I hope they catch on and stop being so quick to lay the "hammer of truth" on you. We'll see if they come back with any feedback. Even then it'll be a bit subjective just because it's a little difficult to replicate exactly unless you have the diagram with you. We'll see.. Good luck, i think we win games with your safe lol... I'd still play the 1 rail first though... :thumbup:
 
poolhustler said:
Looks like you could also thin the right side of the one ball and just missing the left side of the six and hide the cue ball behind the six with a super soft touch.
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Right Shot. Even if you over or under shoot this shot and can see the 1, they are still in a tough predicament.
 
rayshooter22 said:
I guess its just because i spend alot of time on a table that I can see it wont work. Its kind of weird how that works. In any case. I hope they catch on and stop being so quick to lay the "hammer of truth" on you. We'll see if they come back with any feedback. Even then it'll be a bit subjective just because it's a little difficult to replicate exactly unless you have the diagram with you. We'll see.. Good luck, i think we win games with your safe lol... I'd still play the 1 rail first though...
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I know this will fall on deaf ears but...

With that safe, you need to need to cut teh 1 ball about a half ball hit or thinner to get the CB to take the tangent line to the other side rail. The problem is that a half ball hit is close to pocketing the 5 ball on a combo. If you cut the 1 ball thinner, so that the combo isn't on, then you have the issue of this thing called... a corner pocket (past the 7 ball).


Eric >knows I'm gonna regret this
 
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Originally Posted by SpiderWebComm
If you guys were playing for big $$$$$ no one here is going to do ridiculous kick-combos or repositioning all these balls..... you're gonna slow-roll the CB and freeze to the 5 and send the OB somewhere near the center of the short rail. Someone else said that was too risky--- no way. If you can't freeze to the 5 "AT WILL" here you need to practice this until you can.
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I agree freezing the CB to the 5 (or close to it) is a standard skill, but the rest of this shot doesn't look possible to me. First, you have to hit the 1 ball pretty full in order for the CB to follow to the 5 without bouncing out off the side rail, so the 1 has to go pretty straight, not toward the center of the end rail. And given the fullness of the hit that's necessary on the 1 you can't hit the cue ball hard enough to follow all the way to the 5 without banking the 1 back out past the 5 again. I think you can do either thing by itself, but not both.

pj
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I really don't like any of the shots that "nested" the one and five balls together. Seems like too much work if/when you do get BIH.
 
Eric. said:
I know this will fall on deaf ears but...

With that safe, you need to need to cut teh 1 ball about a half ball hit or thinner to get the CB to take the tangent line to the other side rail. The problem is that a half ball hit is close to pocketing the 5 ball on a combo. If you cut the 1 ball thinner, so that the combo isn't on, then you have the issue of this thing called... a corner pocket (past the 7 ball).


Eric >knows I'm gonna regret this
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Im not saying I'd shoot that shot 100%. Just offering my suggestions on the execution of that selection. I think you can draw the cue ball over and not have to worry about the scratch my self. Once again its kind of tedious to tell without seeing it on a real table. Thanks for your input
 
mia said:
Post a video?!? I'm lucky I know how to use a keyboard! You'll note I didn't respond with my OWN cuetable diagram. I can't even figure that thing out!!

But I will say this... I'll give it a whirl my next time at the table and let you know qith utmost honesty how easy it was to pull off (if I even can).

No BSing. If I can't do it, I'll be sure to tell ya and admit that Neil may have been right in his assessment of this shot.
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Ok, I know I said I'd give this shot a try and report back on the results. And I promise... I STILL WILL!!! And like I said, if it turns out I was wrong and this only looks good on paper, I'll be the first to blow the whistle on myself.

Sadly, I don't get to the pool hall these days much anymore. Between work, a wife, new baby, etc... it can be tough to get back out to the pool room but I should be there tomorrow for a little.
 
BVal said:
This is what I would do/try.

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Ok. So I didn't get to the poolhall today. But I did manage to make it to my brother-in-law's house and he has a Gold Crown so, I grabbed a cue, set up the shot and gave it a go.

And not surprisingly, I pulled it off exactly as I said. The surprise was that it took me quite a few attempts and some tinkering with my stroke/english. Most of my attempts brought the 1 out into an area that either made it a clear, easy hit, or a routine kick. And freezing the cue ball to the 5 was NOT as easy as I thought. I had to play the shot with top right and give it a perfect stroke. And even then I assumed the 5 was off the rail enough that freezing to the rail AND the 5 meant having to kick the length of the table. And the 1 came up higher than I would have liked but all in all still safe.

I would say I was up near (or over) ten attempts before I ended up with decent results. :-( And any shot that is a 1 in 10 chance with 9 failures leaving your opponent a see or an easy kick... well its obviously not the right shot.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have some crow to eat.
 
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