How Would You Play This? 8-ball

Jude Rosenstock

Jude Rosenstock

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I know there are a lot of APA players here - This was a shot that came up for one of my teammates last night. You're solids, the one-ball is NOT frozen, the 8-ball does pass.

There are actually a few great options here and thought I'd throw this one at you guys to examine.


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Jude Rosenstock said:
I know there are a lot of APA players here - This was a shot that came up for one of my teammates last night. You're solids, the one-ball is NOT frozen, the 8-ball does pass.

There are actually a few great options here and thought I'd throw this one at you guys to examine.


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Double-kiss back for safety looks fun.
 
Good luck to the opponent

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Good luck to the opponent to win from there. I've got to be 20:1 favorite.
 
Thin the 1 on the right hand side, getting the cueball to the side rail in line with the 8/15.

The kick off the bottom rail by the incoming player would sell out and the top rail kick is very difficult because of the position of the 8 ball.
 
I would thin the 1 ball on the right side very softly so the cue ball rolls out behind the 8 ball and the 1 is moved in front of the corner pocket.I have set up the 1 ball and my opponent is hidden from the 15,should be game. :)
 
iba7467 said:

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Good luck to the opponent to win from there. I've got to be 20:1 favorite.
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This is the shot I would have gone for. Even if you give them room to make the 15 down the rail, the 1 should block the 8. However... that shot could possibly tie up the 1 ball to that cluster if you hit it with the wrong speed.
 
Cory in DC said:
Double-kiss back for safety looks fun.
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I actually didn't think of this option (and I thought I had all of them covered). It's not bad and would likely work out for you. The only problem I have with it is the unknown factor is slightly higher with this shot than others. You're not absolutely certain where the 1-ball will end up nor the cue-ball though it is fair to say that both will end up in favorable places for you.
 
iba7467 said:

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Good luck to the opponent to win from there. I've got to be 20:1 favorite.
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This was the shot I thought of last night but I'm not 100% certain it was the best option. Seriously, the more i think of it, the less I like it though you're right, you ARE the dead-on favorite to win from here.
 
iba7467 said:

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Good luck to the opponent to win from there. I've got to be 20:1 favorite.
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This is what I immediately thought of as well. It's quite easy to execute, and when hit well the opponent has practically no chance of kicking at the stripe without selling out. They can be counted on to push the 1-ball into the cluster, at which point, with ball-in-hand, there should be a way to bust them open while leaving the CB stuck behind the 1. You win from there unless your opponent gets very lucky.

-Andrew
 
kryptonite9 said:
Thin the 1 on the right hand side, getting the cueball to the side rail in line with the 8/15.

The kick off the bottom rail by the incoming player would sell out and the top rail kick is very difficult because of the position of the 8 ball.
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Interestingly, when I woke up this morning, I thought of this option and just now it hit me - you're not going to get your opponent to kick. The correct return for your opponent would be to tie-up the 8-ball. Now, you CAN win from here and there's still a very good chance you will but I'm liking the kick-safe originally posted by IBA more and more.
 
Is it possible to bank the 1? without double kissing....

I don't think I can do it, but could a great banker?
 
BPG24 said:
Is it possible to bank the 1? without double kissing....

I don't think I can do it, but could a great banker?
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Hmmm... I'm no banking expert but from my limited knowledge, I would say it's nearly impossible to beat the double-kiss.
 
I suggested thinning the 1 ball,

The key to my play is to get the 1 close to the pocket and get the cueball over to the side rail. The kick safe is much too easy if you leave the cueball in the middle of the table.
If you tie up the 8/15 (like Jude suggested) with BIH I like my chances to break out the cluster if the 1 ball is in the jaws.

The kick behind the 1 is a definite lock, but the space behind a ball that close to the rail is very small esp when you have to kick at a slow speed with english. This would most certainly also end up in the incoming player tieing up the 1/8/15. You should be able to win, but for me the risk is much more than the reward.
 
Cory in DC said:
Double-kiss back for safety looks fun.
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This is the first shot that came to mind for me. Looks like you could play safe and possibly maintain the blockage of that pocket with the 1 ball, which would eliminate the possibility of your opp. kicking the 15 in off of the short rail. Only problems I could see is if you accidentally kissed the 1 in and didn't pick up an angle to cut the 8 in behind it, or if you left the 1 in a spot that made the corner pocket really big, increasing the chances of a kick-in on the 15. There are plenty of other shots, but I'd definitely be tempted to play it this way.

Aaron
 
kryptonite9 said:
I suggested thinning the 1 ball,

The key to my play is to get the 1 close to the pocket and get the cueball over to the side rail. The kick safe is much too easy if you leave the cueball in the middle of the table.
If you tie up the 8/15 (like Jude suggested) with BIH I like my chances to break out the cluster if the 1 ball is in the jaws.

The kick behind the 1 is a definite lock, but the space behind a ball that close to the rail is very small esp when you have to kick at a slow speed with english. This would most certainly also end up in the incoming player tieing up the 1/8/15. You should be able to win, but for me the risk is much more than the reward.
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The problem with your break-out attempt with the 1-ball is you have to go through the 15-ball to do it. I mean, if you look at the full spectrum of possible outcomes, attaining a good shot on the 8-ball after going through the 15-ball is probably less than 33%. The remaining portion of this spectrum of possibilities include awkward angles and self-inflicted safeties.


I'll edit this - you would need a very precise hit on the 15-ball to assure that you won't get hooked behind it.
 
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Because the ball isn't frozen, I like IBAs kick safety. if it was frozen I would go for spindocktors shot, then with ball and hand after my opponent tied up the 8 on an intentional foul I would play safe behind the 1 which most likely wouldn't be frozen.
 
supergreenman said:
Because the ball isn't frozen, I like IBAs kick safety. if it was frozen I would go for spindocktors shot, then with ball and hand after my opponent tied up the 8 on an intentional foul I would play safe behind the 1 which most likely wouldn't be frozen.
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You should ellaborate a little here - I'll assume, by this you mean, if the 1-ball were frozen to the rail, there would be a chance of a foul by playing the kick-safety. Since that option is available without worry, you're going to take it. Had it been frozen, you would have thinned the 1-ball, leaving it infront of the pocket and sending the cue-ball off the rail to the zone blocked by the 8-ball.
 
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