How Would You Play This? Keeping Things Routine
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Stones said:
Heh I saw this shot too. Good stuff. Another example of this shot can be seen here:
http://www.kamuitips.com/videos/4.wmv
and another... Keep in mind tho, on the last 2 examples you must strike the cue ball with alot more speed than the first one.. and thats why I would shoot this the way I intitialy described..
PoolBum said:
i could probably draw the cueball straight into the top corner pocket.
PoolBum said:
PoolBum, you are correct (in my case). The CueTable can be deceiving. I drew some lines on the CueTable to help me set the shot up:
The 1 and 2 ball represent the "zero" diamonds. As soon as I had it set up on a real table, I knew right away that I didn't like the 1-rail position. It looks a lot different on a real table, perhaps because of the birds-eye view of the CueTable that we aren't used to seeing when we shoot pool.
Had this thread not existed and I came across this shot, I definitely would have gone for the 2-railer here, and I instantly realized it when I set it up.
It's a no-brainer, IM(new)O.
Shooting it both ways confirmed this for me too.
I showed this shot to a handful of Cs and Bs hanging at the room tonight and I was a bit surprised by their confusion on what to do. What's more, they had a hard time executing it at first. It's a shot you have to spend a few minutes with but once you do, it quickly becomes an important weapon in your arsenal. Obviously, it's not a hard shot but it IS a little sensitive. You have to know how to hit it.
Cuebacca said:PoolBum, you are correct (in my case). The CueTable can be deceiving. I drew some lines on the CueTable to help me set the shot up:
The 1 and 2 ball represent the "zero" diamonds. As soon as I had it set up on a real table, I knew right away that I didn't like the 1-rail position. It looks a lot different on a real table, perhaps because of the birds-eye view of the CueTable that we aren't used to seeing when we shoot pool.
Had this thread not existed and I came across this shot, I definitely would have gone for the 2-railer here, and I instantly realized it when I set it up.
It's a no-brainer, IM(new)O.
Shooting it both ways confirmed this for me too.
I would say an effective draw stroke would be able to get the cueball to contact the cushion about one and three-quarters to one and one-half diamonds (with a great hit on the 8) below the side pocket. I also regularly play on 3 7/8" pockets, so that makes a difference (no cheating the pocket, no contacting the side cushion on a firmly struck ball). It might still be possible to spin up table and get decent shape on the 9 that way but it requires just the right combination of draw and finesse to get decent shape on the 9, while the two-cushion route is basically automatic, IMO.
I think its interesting that some say just draw it up table one rail. If the angle is there, no problem but as I see it the angle is just a little tight. To me a red light comes on sensing danger.
Yes I could get shape one rail but in a tight game why take the chance. If the 8 was moved a half inch closer or farther from the rail it would make the decision much more obvious, especially on the table not on paper. By looking at the diagram on paper a half inch would be barely noticable, yet some would still say draw it one rail. Its those small factors that determines how the shot should be played.
Rod
Yes I could get shape one rail but in a tight game why take the chance. If the 8 was moved a half inch closer or farther from the rail it would make the decision much more obvious, especially on the table not on paper. By looking at the diagram on paper a half inch would be barely noticable, yet some would still say draw it one rail. Its those small factors that determines how the shot should be played.
Rod
I know this might be little bit odd, but I might consider doing it that way, in this way you can never go wrong. It's 100% a perfect positioning for the nineball
http://cuetable.com/P/?@3HTWp1IPhh3PHVs@
Here, the link, I don't know how to use cuetable.
I'll just hit the cueball with High left english.
http://cuetable.com/P/?@3HTWp1IPhh3PHVs@
Here, the link, I don't know how to use cuetable.
I'll just hit the cueball with High left english.
I Agree now
What he said
Cuebacca said:PoolBum, you are correct (in my case). The CueTable can be deceiving. I drew some lines on the CueTable to help me set the shot up:
The 1 and 2 ball represent the "zero" diamonds. As soon as I had it set up on a real table, I knew right away that I didn't like the 1-rail position. It looks a lot different on a real table, perhaps because of the birds-eye view of the CueTable that we aren't used to seeing when we shoot pool.
Had this thread not existed and I came across this shot, I definitely would have gone for the 2-railer here, and I instantly realized it when I set it up.
It's a no-brainer, IM(new)O.
Shooting it both ways confirmed this for me too.
What he said
Omar said:
I like Buddy Hall.
asbani said:
Hi Asbani,
You ended up posting the original diagram. To show your edits, click the red button on the bottom right corner of the table
. Then, when you create your post here, click the button above the text-box labeled "wei" 
and click CTRL+V. This will allow people to view your diagram in your post.Hope this helps.
I'd play it like that. this way you can never go wrong scratching on the other route. but it's indeed made the shot a bit harder imo.
P.S. Thanks to Jude Rosenstock for teaching me how to create this.
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asbani said:
I'd play it like that. this way you can never go wrong scratching on the other route. but it's indeed made the shot a bit harder imo.
P.S. Thanks to Jude Rosenstock for teaching me how to create this.
The problem with your idea is you have to hit the ball firm in order to get it to travel around the table like that. BECAUSE you're hitting it firm, you're going to get a perpendicular route off the 8-ball and you're simply going to be approaching the rail too steep to travel the opposite way. See my diagram below and I think you'll get a sense of what i'm talking about. Once you see this on an actual table, you'll see it immediately.