How would you play this?
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Well sheeeeat. You gotta play the 3->6 and hit it hard enough to knock the 3 out so it can be made later...
I'd try for 6, 1, 4, 3, 8.
I'd try for 6, 1, 4, 3, 8.
Then you are fukkked
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Guess you shoot the 4 first and try to break the mess around the 11 out.
And hope you have another barrel.
.Guess you shoot the 4 first and try to break the mess around the 11 out.
And hope you have another barrel.
I would agree with Jimi....you could try to play the 4 and break out the 3/6, but you run the risk of creating another problem.
ETA....if the 3-6 isnt makeable, there is no need for discussion. Start with the 4 and hit the 11 as full as possible trying to get a shot on the 6 and trying not to put anything near the 1 ball.
ETA....if the 3-6 isnt makeable, there is no need for discussion. Start with the 4 and hit the 11 as full as possible trying to get a shot on the 6 and trying not to put anything near the 1 ball.
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That is really groovy, man. Groovy.CharlesUFarley said:
It's very simple - this table is not worth running. I can't tell if the 11-ball can be made but even if it can, it doesn't matter. The correct play is to begin rearranging the balls to your liking. I'd begin by moving the 1-ball off the rail. Don't make a move at running out until there is a reasonable chance you will.
There are at least two lock-up safeties available that have merit, but I think you should expect to run out here. With the six ball frozen, I'm not very keen on the three-six combo, and even if you make it, there is no guarantee that the three won't end up tucked behind the eleven. Shoot the four in the corner and send the cue into the cluster, opening up the three ball and six ball. From there, it shouldn't be tough to run out.
this way or ......... (see next post)
What I did
What I tried to do was shoot the 4 trying to hit the 11 full to move the 3 right next to the side pocket(for possible breakout on 11 that would basically be where my 3 was. Then play the 1 and then 3 in the side for possible breakout on the 6.
What I Did was hit the 11 too soft and left the 3 short of the side pocket and had to play a safe on the 1.
What I tried to do was shoot the 4 trying to hit the 11 full to move the 3 right next to the side pocket(for possible breakout on 11 that would basically be where my 3 was. Then play the 1 and then 3 in the side for possible breakout on the 6.
What I Did was hit the 11 too soft and left the 3 short of the side pocket and had to play a safe on the 1.
Maybe this way depending on how the 11 is sitting....
Might also depend on whether its a bar box or big table
Might also depend on whether its a bar box or big table
Well there's several different ways to get out here. I'm assuming that's what you're trying to do. If it is and your strength is top english, you could place the cue ball behind the 4 ball in the kitchen at an angle to pocket the 4 ball in the top left corner past the 1 ball, follow and try to hit the 11 ball full to possibly move it and the 3. You don't have to blast into them, but a nice firm stroke would do the trick. If you're strength is low english you place the cue ball outside of the kitchen at an angle that when you shoot the 4 ball in the bottom right hand pocket, you draw the cue ball with bottom right hand english into that small cluster of balls. However if not executed properly this could always lead you into more trouble.
What I may be tempted to do is if the 3 ball passes the 11 ball cleanly, you could make the 3-6 combo leaving the 3 ball pretty much in the same spot the 6 was, then hopefull be able to play the 3 ball. Depending on how much angle you leave yourself on that 3 ball, will dictate which ball you shoot next. But you must play it in a way that no matter what you have a shot on the 1 ball.
Honestly there are a few other options that I see as well, like shooting the 3-6 combo leaving the 3 in the place where the 6 was, then playing the 1 ball down the rail leaving the cue ball either on the rail or just off of it, coming back and playing the 3 ball with a little follow, shooting the 4 ball in the side and the 8 ball in the corner past the 15. But there's just a lot of options you just have to go with whatever your strengths are.
I personally like clearing one half of the table first before moving over to the other half. I like finishing on the half where the 8-ball is. It doesn't work out like that all the time, but that's just what I prefer.
What would be great is if one of these top notch players, pro's and even the instructors in here would speak up. Their insight would prove to be a lot better than anything that I've suggested.
What I may be tempted to do is if the 3 ball passes the 11 ball cleanly, you could make the 3-6 combo leaving the 3 ball pretty much in the same spot the 6 was, then hopefull be able to play the 3 ball. Depending on how much angle you leave yourself on that 3 ball, will dictate which ball you shoot next. But you must play it in a way that no matter what you have a shot on the 1 ball.
Honestly there are a few other options that I see as well, like shooting the 3-6 combo leaving the 3 in the place where the 6 was, then playing the 1 ball down the rail leaving the cue ball either on the rail or just off of it, coming back and playing the 3 ball with a little follow, shooting the 4 ball in the side and the 8 ball in the corner past the 15. But there's just a lot of options you just have to go with whatever your strengths are.
I personally like clearing one half of the table first before moving over to the other half. I like finishing on the half where the 8-ball is. It doesn't work out like that all the time, but that's just what I prefer.
What would be great is if one of these top notch players, pro's and even the instructors in here would speak up. Their insight would prove to be a lot better than anything that I've suggested.
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Sorry after typing all that non-sense that I typed, then I saw your post that the 3 ball didn't pass the 11. With that being said, then if you're trying to get out than you're going to have to disturb that small bunch of balls in a way that you don't tie them up while attemting to break them out.
I'm busy looking for the lock up safeties that sjm suggested. Apart from possibly tapping the 1 ball off of the rail and hiding the cue ball behind it, I'm not sure of what they are.
sjm,
can you share with the rest of the class your safety thoughts. I'm always learning and would love to hear your thoughts. Everyone's toughts as a matter of fact.
I'm busy looking for the lock up safeties that sjm suggested. Apart from possibly tapping the 1 ball off of the rail and hiding the cue ball behind it, I'm not sure of what they are.
sjm,
can you share with the rest of the class your safety thoughts. I'm always learning and would love to hear your thoughts. Everyone's toughts as a matter of fact.
Perhaps someone can enlighten me here. I'm thinking, if the other guy can't run out, there's little pressure for me to run out. You're looking to clear that rail and manage position for an 8-ball that has half a pocket to work with. Why bother? Get your solids in more favorable postion and work from there. I think stripes are in a desperate situation so why would I jeopardize my advantage by messing with all those balls?
If you don't go for the run out, then you'd better lock the other player down pretty tight. If you don't and the other player can see a ball to make it, you could find yourself in a lot of trouble. If he's a good player, and can get on the correct side of that 12 ball, he can position that ball in a place where he can make it and break the 11 ball out and at the same time lock you up behind the 8 ball! Just like there are several ways to play this to win the game, there are just as many to lose you the game.
sjm said:
Excellent point. I can't actually make that combo at all, even were they the only 2 OBs on the table.
I would play safe. Bump out one of my balls and try to leave the cue ball behind the 11
TheNewSharkster said:
Yeah, I feel the same way. There just appears to be too much risk involved in running out. I understand there is a chance my opponent can take anything I leave him and make something happen but he's going to have to come up with something GREAT to run-out from here.
Jude Rosenstock said:
When I look at it I see Stripes having a much better ball position. How many dinks and dunks can I take with Solids that will get me to a position of having better ball positioning than the stripes?
I actually like where the one is at thats why I would choose my second option if its open.
To me the big trouble is that I cant get out unless I move the 3-6 which opens the 11. If I could figure out a way to make those out it would be nice. Thats why with BIH I think going for the break out is best. Most decent to good players will be able to pocket the 4 and either split the gap or hit into the 11.
One thing is for sure... there is not clear cut one shot answer to this one. It could be a series of moves like your talking about.
Maybe later tonight I can set this one up and check it out live. I find that the Cuetable makes things appear much easier.
BTW-- sorry to hear about the other room closing in NY. I imagine rent is terrible for a room there.
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jojopiff said:
I would say there are two ways to play this offensively that would be good or reasonable ideas.
The first would be to play the 4 in the corner, starting with the cue ball about 5 or 6 inches (real distance... not on the WEI table) closer to the middle of the table and in a straight line with the foot spot. The cut allows you to send the cueball into the cluster and break things up a bit. From there, the runout depends on the results.
The second would be to play the 6 in the corner (assuming you can squeeze the cueball between the 11 and the rail. A little punch stroke with some draw should kick the 11 further out, and sending the cueball of the 11, into the rail, and inching it out just beyond the 3. Then you play the 1, the 3, then the 8.