How would you play this?

Jude Rosenstock

Jude Rosenstock

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This shot came-up for me a couple days ago. Playing 9-ball, I got out of line on the 7-ball and turned a routine out into something a little creative.

http://CueTable.com/P/?@3GJcJ4HNra3IDol3PDFh@

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Shoot the 7 with follow and the cueball should nudge the 9 ball on its way to the rail. Just be sure to hit it with enough juice to have it nudge the 9, hit the foot rail and come back out for a shot on the 8 in the corner.
 
To me, it looks like playing the 7 with top will miss the 9 ball and should end up above the 8.

But, sometimes the graphic illustration doesn’t always provide a clear picture. If the CB is going to hit the 9 ball after striking the 7, then I’d play it with top right and go two rails out for shape on the 8.

Rick
 
Depends on the table I guess. I probably float the cue ball between the 8 and the 9 and play the 8 in the corner on the bottom right of the picture. You have options if you hit the 7 too hard or too soft.
 
I'd kiss off the 9 with inside English and spin out two rails for the 8. The only concern here is the 9 ball tying up the 8 or blocking the pocket. It's hard to tell from these diagrams, but hitting it with some speed and drawing back a little off the 9 might be there. I like spinning 2 rails off the 9 better because, if you draw it, you're going to have to hit it with speed and, in that case, if the 9 does come out and hit the 8, it's going to blast it off to who-knows-where. If you spin it two rails off the 7, you can hit it fairly soft and try to control where the 9 is going afterward.
 
Without actually setting up the shot, it looks like you could just shoot the 7 with high inside and the throw will let you take a thinner cut on the 7 and bring the cueball back out without touching anything.

If I could go around the 8 and 9 two rails with left I would do that first choice, but if not I would use high inside softly but with a lot of spin.

Chris
 
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From the full-size CueTable link, it looks as if the 9-ball is too close and too low to sneak past with any kind of follow - even if you spin the 7 in with generous right english.

How about a medium speed 7-o'clock draw shot, missing the 9 altogether, pulling the cue across under the 8 to the first diamond on the long rail, where the left-english can pull it uptable for the 8 in the lower left corner?

Ken
(loves the 'Hollywood' shots...)

Edit: Whoops - looks like you gave the answer away while I was putting my reply together...

"Nice Shot"!
 
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same as most whove answered, id use top,top right or right to go 2 rails and get on the 8 in the corner.
 
I cant really tell from the diagram, at first glance I think I can spin it below the 9 and two rail comming up between the 8 and the rail to leave the 8 in the corner. If that wasnt there then you could cheat the pocket a bit and use top rt to go 2 rails above the 8.
 
Slider said:
From the full-size CueTable link, it looks as if the 9-ball is too close and too low to sneak past with any kind of follow - even if you spin the 7 in with generous right english.

How about a medium speed 7-o'clock draw shot, missing the 9 altogether, pulling the cue across under the 8 to the first diamond on the long rail, where the left-english can pull it uptable for the 8 in the lower left corner?

Ken
(loves the 'Hollywood' shots...)
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lol, very nice. I bet we hit submit about 3 seconds apart.
 
the more I look at the shot the more I am starting to think I could just pocket the 7 with a touch of top inside, to the bottom rail and come straight back up to the center of the table and play the 8 in the corner.
 
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My first response was already responded by Jimmy, (play off the 9 and go two rails out for the 8)

However, after thinking about this for a minute and knowing that your level of play is high enough that you not be posting that easy of a shot....and that you know that hitting high/low soft/hard changes the deflection path .....I can only assume that you intend that the deflection angle off the 7 into the 9 is such that the CB would stop dead after contact.....

If that is the case, and if "altering" the deflection path is not there through high/low or Fim/Soft...I would perhpaps just take what the table would give me and play for a dead stop after contact with the 9 (nudging the 9 to the rail) and playing the fairly routine bank on the 8...Which also has fairly built in shape on the 9 and a fairly decent leave if you miss the 8.
 
Bottom! Top will put you in horrible position. I tried this on poolcomps about 20 times because it's (thankfully) not blocked from work. They have very realistic physics... so if anybody tries this out on a real table please let us know how you did it!
 
BRKNRUN said:
My first response was already responded by Jimmy, (play off the 9 and go two rails out for the 8)

However, after thinking about this for a minute and knowing that your level of play is high enough that you not be posting that easy of a shot....and that you know that hitting high/low soft/hard changes the deflection path .....I can only assume that you intend that the deflection angle off the 7 into the 9 is such that the CB would stop dead after contact.....

If that is the case, and if "altering" the deflection path is not there through high/low or Fim/Soft...I would perhpaps just take what the table would give me and play for a dead stop after contact with the 9 (nudging the 9 to the rail) and playing the fairly routine bank on the 8...Which also has fairly built in shape on the 9 and a fairly decent leave if you miss the 8.
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Some excellent assumptions. I mean, I'm certain one COULD just clip the 9-ball but considering how close it is, using follow or draw and caroming off the 9-ball could be a little unpredictable.

I thought about it a lot and didn't like the idea of dealing with something so unpredictable. Hit it really hard and you can get a stun-angle off the 9-ball. Hit it too soft and you can find yourself below the 8-ball.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
I really didn't like the idea of running into the 9-ball. It just seemed overwhelmingly unpredictable. I've just gotten burned so many times doing that; I'll look for any other option I can find.

Well, this is what I found. It actually worked out nice.

http://CueTable.com/P/?@3GJcJ4HNra3IDol3PDFh3bJcJ3bcIu3kDFh3kHfy7kAeX4kbRb4kGni4kGni@

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Well...apparantly the path was "alterable" enough to avoid the 9 all together...

That would be a decision that could only be made at the table since just a slight change in angle would result in a different decision...

I wonder...did you cheat the pocket at all to flatten the angle?....I suppose the low/outside would have helped (via some throw to flatten the angle)
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Some excellent assumptions. I mean, I'm certain one COULD just clip the 9-ball but considering how close it is, using follow or draw and caroming off the 9-ball could be a little unpredictable.

I thought about it a lot and didn't like the idea of dealing with something so unpredictable. Hit it really hard and you can get a stun-angle off the 9-ball. Hit it too soft and you can find yourself below the 8-ball.
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I actually think it's more unpredictable to try to miss something that, from the diagram, looks to be somewhat tough to miss (the 9 ball). I *know* I can clip the 9, so I'd go that route ... even if I *thought* I might be able to miss the 9. Now, of course, if I knew that I could miss it just as easily as I could clip it, then I'd probably choose to avoid the 9.
 
BRKNRUN said:
Well...apparantly the path was "alterable" enough to avoid the 9 all together...

That would be a decision that could only be made at the table since just a slight change in angle would result in a different decision...

I wonder...did you cheat the pocket at all to flatten the angle?....I suppose the low/outside would have helped (via some throw to flatten the angle)
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Yes, it was alterable but I still find it interesting that everyone (including myself at the time) was quick to look at what the carom would bring instead of looking to avoid it altogether. I mean, the carom was my first instinct and it is definitely the more difficult way to go.

Also, the outside english DOES help a lot in this situation since I can get a slightly fuller hit than one would think. This is also an equipment-related shot. If the rails are a little dull or the cloth is a bit worn, you're simply not going to get the necessary action.
 
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