How would you rule this if your a ref? 8Ball

[dabarbr]

What transpired is common stratagy for eight ball be it APA, BCA, or any pro tournament. Foul and ball in hand.
The only way this might be considered unsportsmanship like conduct would be that if the ten was positioned over by the three without using the cue ball. In that case referee might issue a warning and reposition the balls back to original position or worse award the game to the three ball.

Oops! I meant to say "award the game to the stripes".

 

[Bill S]

It is simply ball in hand to the opponent. There is no unsportsmanlike conduct issue. This is per The Official Rules of the BCA Pool League

reposted with correct spelling.

 

[memikey]

Huh???? ..

The way I read it was that Player A is solids and he intentionally fouls by knocking the striped ball over by the solid.....That gives Player B (stripes) BIH with the stipe and solid right next to each other as show on the WIE diagram...

In that case if I am Player B (stripes) I am going to croque style the solid down to the other end rail and stick the CB right behind the stipe.

The balls are even in a slight angle into the side rail...It is just a straight on stop shot that puts the solid on the end rail....The stripe will easily stop dead and if you know how to apply a stop shot stroke, the CB is not going anywhere either.

At some point you are going to have to create some separation or they are just going to bump the stripe back up on the solid...(unless there is a three foul rule)

EDIT: I still am more concerned about the solids being smaller balls.......How the heck are you supposed to get a tight rack with those???

Quite right BRKNRN........it had been a long day and read the first post far too quickly and lazily, my fault sorry about that, agree completely

 

[suckershot]

At pool, there are penalties for fouls. You are permitted to make almost any shot you please and if it is a foul, you pay the penalty. The penalty for the foul you describe is ball in hand for the opponent.

As was pointed out, if it is not a tournament, you could be in trouble. Byrne tells the story of a player (who was just in Louisville, actually) who went into a bar to play a game or two. He found himself without any shot, so he played a pretty good safety, ball and rail and everything. His opponent punched him in the face knocking him to the floor. "We don't do that around here."

Lucky that I have plenty of legitimate, nice poolrooms around, so I don't have to go into some dive and play a bunch of yahoos.

 

[GeneSF]

Shooting object ball instead of cue ball

In the example, player shoots opponent's object ball in order to tie up balls. Ruled a foul but not unsportsmanlike. So how about the same situation in nine ball: the 7-8-9 are tied up in a cluster, and my object ball is the 6 which is too difficult to try. So, I simply ignore the cue ball, shooting the six into a pocket. Same ruling?

 

[soulcatcher]

In the example, player shoots opponent's object ball in order to tie up balls. Ruled a foul but not unsportsmanlike. So how about the same situation in nine ball: the 7-8-9 are tied up in a cluster, and my object ball is the 6 which is too difficult to try. So, I simply ignore the cue ball, shooting the six into a pocket. Same ruling?

Depending on the league and the situation it could be simply the ball would need to be replaced to loss of game/unsportsmanlike conduct.

APA would say you replace the ball to its original position.

Valley, where every ball is a point (8 Ball), different areas/sitiations, like if it was a tournament or regular league, if it was your ball or your opponents ball would come into play.

Locally, in our tournaments, if you knock your own ball in on purpose, it is forfeit of that game, 10-0. This rule came into being when a player needed one point to win a tournament, and had no shot. He knocked his ball in with his hand, giving his team the win. The rule prior to that was any ball knocked off the table stayed down(several years ago).

 

[Bob Jewett]

... So how about the same situation in nine ball: the 7-8-9 are tied up in a cluster, and my object ball is the 6 which is too difficult to try. So, I simply ignore the cue ball, shooting the six into a pocket. Same ruling?

Any time you intentionally set the balls in motion other than by applying the cue tip to the cue ball, it is unsportsmanlike conduct. It is absolutely forbidden to shoot object balls directly (tip on object ball, no cue ball involved). If it's nine ball, you lose that game and are on a warning that the next time you try such stuff in any tournament, you go home early, if I'm the TD.

 

[poolstar31]

In the example, player shoots opponent's object ball in order to tie up balls. Ruled a foul but not unsportsmanlike. So how about the same situation in nine ball: the 7-8-9 are tied up in a cluster, and my object ball is the 6 which is too difficult to try. So, I simply ignore the cue ball, shooting the six into a pocket. Same ruling?

I would take ball in hand. Or at worst tell you it is still your shot. LOL

But why would anyone do that when they can play safe on the 6 ball?