How would you run this 8 ball rack.

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I won a local 8 ball tournament last night (bar rules honest try garbage). came down to my father in the finals and I sank a low ball on the snap and was left with this great run out. I ran 6 5 2 1 7 4 8 in that order for the win.

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How would you have done it?
 
Icon of Sin said:
I won a local 8 ball tournament last night (bar rules honest try garbage). came down to my father in the finals and I sank a low ball on the snap and was left with this great run out. I ran 6 5 2 1 7 4 8 in that order for the win.

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How would you have done it?
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I guess if you had confidence in getting to the 4 and 7 from the 1, then you chose a good pattern. Some people would like to leave the 6 as the last ball, so maybe 1-7-4 (slide by the eight)-2-5-6-8.

The table is pretty open, except that 4-7, so if you can get those two, everything else can be done a myriad of ways. Some people would consider the 2 as the "must-be-the-last-ball" two-railer toward the 8-ball.


Fred
 
ok how I would do it.....

I would shoot the one first with follow then shoot the four as a stop shot. Shoot the seven with left follow to go between the thirteen and fourteen for the five. depending on how I ended up on the five I would either use left follow to come in behind the two or a stop shot to use natural tengent to knock the two toward the far corner then it's a stop shot on the two for the six in the side with a little left follow off the rail on the six for the eight in the corner.

Here's an spproximation graphically...

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I think I would have the 2 with some draw, shot the 5 then used the 6 to come back down table for the 1, 7, 4 then 8. Boy you must have just drooled when you got that layout, it just screams run me out!!!!!:)
 
Let me explain my reasoning.

I would shoot the one first because it leaves the toughest shots if by some chance I miss. If I go for the aboslute easiest shot first then there;s a chance I might not run out and you don't wanna make any of your balls unless you can run out or atleast think you can.

By shooting the one first with follow on the four, I do two things, First, If I make the one with shape on the four then I more than likely have the runout, if I miss the one, It should be at pocket speed and be blocking two of the opponents balls and the leave on the four leaves him a very difficult shot for a runout. by shooting the four first I leave myself some angle on the seven to come off with follow for the five. By shooting the five first instead of the two, again if I miss there would be a good chance of safetying the opponent behind the two, atleast it would be better than a missed shot on the two. The rest is a no brainer easy three ball runout.
 
So hard to tell on these WEI tables, but shooting the 1 with follow puts it behind the 10-15 from the angle I see. I could be wrong though...

Shorty
 
depends how hard you hit it.

Shorty said:
So hard to tell on these WEI tables, but shooting the 1 with follow puts it behind the 10-15 from the angle I see. I could be wrong though...

Shorty
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it depends how much follow and how hard you hit it. If you hit soft with a lot of follow it will follow almost immediately besides which if that was the case you could always just use a little leftto spin off the rail longer.
 
1 7 4 5 2 6 8 or interchange the 5 and 2... that takes care of the tough stuff early in the rack and allows you to play easy position on all shots, including the 8.

But, you won! So how can I fault that?
 
The 4 and 7 are the crucial balls here.

If the 4 will go under the 7 I would play the one and get on the bottom rail for the 4 then the 7. If the 4 doesn't go I would consider the 1 then 7 then 4.

Billy Bob suggested left draw on the 7. I ask why? Trying to hold tight angles using spin has so little effect it is negligable. If you want to hold angle, just play it it the edge as a nip-fraw shot. ie. not too hard, but low CB striking, just at enough speed to kill most lateral movement of the CB.

Another option is to play the 6 over the center for position on the 7 ball. You could then leave the 1 to 4 as the final balls before the 8 ball if required.
 
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Run out

I don't know what the other guys are looking at, but the 4 does not appear to go past the 7 to me.
Getting on the 4 without an extreme angle is the biggest problem I see. I would have shot probably the 5,6,2,1 (at this point if I had to cut the 1 to the right, I would fade a little low left into the 7), then shoot the 4 or 7, whichever was right for shape on the other one, then the 8. If you shoot the 1 straight and stop it, the angle on the 7 looks like you would end up with a lot of angle on the 4 which would affect getting shape on the 8, and might present a problem for the 8 ball shot.
 
Well he managed to run 1 7 4 in the sequence so I presume the angles were not as they appear in WEI.
So work backwards that 6 is perfect for, a) getting on the 8, b) getting you out of trouble so it's last unless you b)
2 or 5 gets you on the 6, so 1 7 4 2 5 6 8.
 
BillYards said:
1 7 4 5 2 6 8 or interchange the 5 and 2... that takes care of the tough stuff early in the rack and allows you to play easy position on all shots, including the 8.

But, you won! So how can I fault that?
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I like your order and the reasoning. Its the way I would try it.
If I dont get from the 7 to the 4 I can always use the 6 or another ball to
get back donw there. If I leave it for later and dont get on it then I might
end up with no way of getting back down on the ball/balls.

WEI tables are tought o see exact angles.

I love these threads and seeing how others would view the same layouts.

I play APA and sometimes I wonder just what was going through some peoples heads when seeing their patterns or lack of patterns.
 
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