How Would You Shoot The 7?
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Old Nine Baller
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You can always tell the players
Shannon Daulton shot it like this:
Leaving it here for a nice shot at the 8 ball;
Shannon Daulton shot it like this:
Leaving it here for a nice shot at the 8 ball;
Why send the cue ball anywhere near the 9 when you don't have to? Why risk hitting the draw too hard and coming across your position plane for the 8 ball leaving a thin cut? I'm coming into my position plane on the 8 by coming straight up the table, giving me the greatest margin for error. You may think I need to work on my technique, but in reality I think you need to work on your table management skills.
The first 3 rails have running english and if it gets to the 4th it kills. Giving the best angle and largest area to stop in the target zone.You can always tell the players
Shannon Daulton shot it like this:
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Leaving it here for a nice shot at the 8 ball;
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Try it, you will like it.:thumbup:
I'd like to see video evidence of this.
I set it up on my table, and the one-railer is simply not there. At least on my table, there is no way to avoid the 9 going one-rail.
The OE two-railer, as I suspected previously, isn't on as well.
The draw shot below the 9 is still possible, but speed control is very touchy. You still leave yourself difficult on the 8.
The IE three-railer is the best way to go.
Great thread again ONB.
You can always tell the players
Shannon Daulton shot it like this:
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Leaving it here for a nice shot at the 8 ball;
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Exactly the same path & position I got. Draw with inside, doubling the upper right corner, running the umbrella to and through the center of the table.
The cueball for me died off the 4th rail and ended up straight in. Still pretty easy from there.
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I used 2 o'clock spin, not high inside spin. The 2 o'clock reverses on the rail and straightens out the cue ball. I also didn't hit a long rail as I passed the side pocket more than a diamond.
The shot is there and I use it every few racks playing 9-10ball. If you hit the shot too hard, you don't give the cue ball time to turn and then reverse off of the rail. I use a medium speed and put a little twist on the cue ball so it wants to follow forward instead of over like a stun shot.
It's like the shot where you're on the wrong side of the side pocket for shape, and you hit inside spin to get the cue ball to turn away from where its natural angle wants it to go. The cue ball will turn if it has a slight chance to straighten out before it hits the rail and reverses. Best I can come up with for a simple description. Speed kills.
Best,
Mike
I like stroking the ball in with low left, spinning off the side rail towards the 8 and leaving yourself in the center of the table.
Edit: Looked at the diagram again and the 8 ball is closer to the rail than I originally thought. If the 1-rail high inside shot is there I might shoot it, or I might use low with a lot of inside like Shannon does and play the 3-railer if the shot looks easy enough when I'm at the table.
Edit: Looked at the diagram again and the 8 ball is closer to the rail than I originally thought. If the 1-rail high inside shot is there I might shoot it, or I might use low with a lot of inside like Shannon does and play the 3-railer if the shot looks easy enough when I'm at the table.
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If there was some traffic, I might try the 3 rails. I'd be curious to see how often an average player hit that shot consistently. I like to shoot a simpler game with stun, reverse, and killing the cue ball, I guess.I definitely need the 7!
Best,
Mike
I like the 'simple' concept also....I call it the 'tai chi' way....find out where the cue-ball wants
to go.....and just help it.
In this case, I feel the one rail with inside is forcing it (if possible) and a lesser area to
for whitey to land in....going three or four rails, you have a big area to land in.
But that's how the world goes round...we have different ways that works for us.
I like these threads...it reminds me of Alex and Corey after a match, you'll see them
setting up shots that occurred and discussing how it should be played.
Kudos to ONB for these threads. :bow-down:
I'd probably use center ball and judge your speed accordingly. Even if you bump the 9 the 8 is in an easy spot, 99% of the time you will have a good shot on it with the 1% being hidden/partially blocked behind the 9. I'll take that % any day of the week instead of trying fancy shape with English here and missing the first shot. If the 8 required better shape to get a good shot on it would probably change my answer, but from where it lies this seems like a good strategy for me instead of over thinking it.
I agree this seems natural and "safe"....
Old Nine Baller
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And if you don't get safe? This shot is the best shot you'll probably see, why not try to get out?
The way Daulton shot it is a standard 3 Cushion shot that you need to familiarize yourself with, it'll pay big dividends in the future. The only hard part of the shot is it needs some draw to get to the 1st rail, after that it's all downhill. The cueball is dying as it enters the zone of position and that's great.
Practice this 3 railer from different places on the table until it becomes second nature for you. It's not tough and it'll make you a better player. Remember this; Daulton didn't shoot that shot because he's a good player, he's a good player because he shot that shot.
ONB
Wouldn't have thought twice about playing the shot Daulton played, then again, I answer inside english to nearly every challenge 
If there was some traffic, I might try the 3 rails. I'd be curious to see how often an average player hit that shot consistently. I like to shoot a simpler game with stun, reverse, and killing the cue ball, I guess.
Best,
Mike
Hi Mike,
What did The Miz say...just showin' off...
When there is no need to do so.
Who was it that said, 'don't go for shape when you already have it'?
Also some of the stroke type shots are much easier to replicate day in & day out when they are played on a video game rather than in the changing conditions of real life.
Best 2 Y'a,
Rick
For 20+ years I considered myself a good player, even beating national champions in that time, and I would have avoided inside english stun 3 rail shots throughout that period... until I learned how to use Back Hand English. Now, it's as easy to me as dribbling that ball in with slow roll. Not skill, just knowledge of a method, and some practice to get to know the pivot point of your cue.If there was some traffic, I might try the 3 rails. I'd be curious to see how often an average player hit that shot consistently. I like to shoot a simpler game with stun, reverse, and killing the cue ball, I guess.
Best,
Mike
I set it up and consistently drew the cue ball to the side rail without hitting the nine for an easy out twice in a row. I tried following the ball down and around the nine, but hit the nine and got less than perfect shape. I tried inside english following to the end rail and missed the seven first time and ran the cue ball into the nine and was hooked the second time. So the draw over to the side rail was best for me.
I'm not at my table now, so I can't try the safety. If it works, I might get a better shot. This isn't exactly the same, but a similar safety to what I had in mind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhkJHHdBbNY&feature=youtu.be
I know the 3 rail shot, thanks ONB. And I agree its a standard shot. Just that, I wouldn't call it high percentage for me. I'd have to have a big lead to risk a shot like that. Aside from the inside spin, too much draw and I can hit the 9 too full, or even scratch off the 9. That's what I'd be most worried about. Not enough draw and I might hit too close to the same pocket, and hit the point. So its not just the shot, its the rail restriction that comes with it. One or 2 balls off the intended path, and the shot is a bust.
When you say its not tough, it really depends on who you mean. As for Daulton, I have to disagree. Daulton is a good player not because he shot that shot, but because he knew it was a high percentage shot to take, for him.
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