how would you win?

[ziskan1013]

i'm shooting at the 8. tried to knock the 12 out the way but i didn't hit it hard enough, afriad that i might knock the eight in. how would you get the 8ball?

we were playing on real table, btw...

 

[mszelis]

I think your chances of hitting the eight ball in are slim. The best you could hope for is that your opponent knocks it in for you. You might be able to kick off of the end rail somehow but I don't really see a good angle for that.

 

[SPINDOKTOR]

the only way I see to win from there is by shooting a masse' shot, hooking around the 9 pocketing the 8, I dont see a kick that would be as effective as a Masse" certainly a tough situation.

SPINDOKTOR

 

[bigpocket]

I would use the new xbreaker jump cue. LOL

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

You're not winning on this inning unless you do something extremely risky. Your play is to make sure that your opponent isn't going to win on HIS next inning with ball-in-hand. Where the 8-ball lies is great for you. He's got two balls near that pocket and he needs to clear them out in order to win. I'm putting the 12-ball right on the rail, near the 8-ball so that he can't do squat.

 

[PoolSharkAllen]

i'm shooting at the 8. tried to knock the 12 out the way but i didn't hit it hard enough, afriad that i might knock the eight in. how would you get the 8ball?

we were playing on real table, btw...

I would take a deliberate foul and bump the 12 as closely as possible next to the 9, possibly freezing the two balls together. Your opponent would now have ball-in-hand but it's still a challenging run out. If your opponent should fail to run out, you've created an opening wherein you can now go for the 8.

 

[whitey2]

What rules are you playing by?

What rules are you playing by? I've heard all kinds of strange
rules, which is why I'm asking. Must you get legal a hit on the
8 ball or lose the game?

And that was a great picture/diagram, one of the best I've seen lately.
(cuetable requires shockwave which Adobe does not provide for my OS)

 

[ziskan1013]

we were playing by standard APA rules. poolsharkallen called it. i ended up tapping the 12 and giving ball in hand. my friend cleared all except the 9 and the 12 at which point, he left a pretty good safty but i was able to kick off across the rail into the eight.

 

[sjm]

Trying to tie up the twelve doesn't seem to have any prospects against a good tactician. First of all, if you get it wrong and leave a shot on the shot in the bottom right or the top left, it's an easy runout. You could never freeze the twelve here without knocking in the eight, but let's say you hit it well enough that there's no shot on the twelve. I'll play safe, leaving the nine on the bottom rail and sticking the cue ball on top of the twelve. Now, you couldn't hiot the eight if I gave you 1,000,000 tries, and when I get my next ball in hand, I'll always be able shoot the nine in the corner and break out the twelve, which should leave an easy runout.

Against a good tactician, the masse is probably your only chance to win. If opponent left anything but this, they played a very poor safety, and from here you need a miracle to win this rack.

 

[jay helfert]

You want to win? Cross bank the 13 ball and leave the cue ball down table, diagonally across from where the eight ball is. Your opponent has no shot and is apt to leave you a better shot at the eight. Something like this shot will win you the game. It may take another inning or two.

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

Trying to tie up the twelve doesn't seem to have any prospects against a good tactician. First of all, if you get it wrong and leave a shot on the shot in the bottom right or the top left, it's an easy runout. You could never freeze the twelve here without knocking in the eight, but let's say you hit it well enough that there's no shot on the twelve. I'll play safe, leaving the nine on the bottom rail and sticking the cue ball on top of the twelve. Now, you couldn't hiot the eight if I gave you 1,000,000 tries, and when I get my next ball in hand, I'll always be able shoot the nine in the corner and break out the twelve, which should leave an easy runout.

Against a good tactician, the masse is probably your only chance to win. If opponent left anything but this, they played a very poor safety, and from here you need a miracle to win this rack.

In response to your safety here, I would roll the 12-ball up on the 9-ball. So long as I don't leave a dead combination, I'm still in the game.

 

[sjm]

In response to your safety here, I would roll the 12-ball up on the 9-ball. So long as I don't leave a dead combination, I'm still in the game.

It will be a makeable combo unless you leave the twelve above the nine, but if you do that, I'll pin you to the back of the nine as I leave the twelve back on the long rail. you've still gout no possilbe kick in, and I've taken a forward step in the direction of creating a breakout, and, in the very unlikely event that the breakout doesn't develop, my worst case scenario is being able to run out off a very simple bankshot of the twelve in the corner. You can prolong the agony, but you can't beat me to the shot by fiddling around with the twelve. You'll never see a possible kick-in.

 

[whitey2]

Pardon my ignorance of the APA rules, but...

You want to win? Cross bank the 13 ball and leave the cue ball down table, diagonally across from where the eight ball is. Your opponent has no shot and is apt to leave you a better shot at the eight. Something like this shot will win you the game. It may take another inning or two.

Pardon my ignorance (really) of the APA rules, but won't the opponent have ball in hand if you bank the 13, since you didn't perform a legal hit on the 8? Or do those rules omit the "ball in hand" rule
of "normal" 8-ball? Or how about "attempting" a masse' but really just shoot the 12 just by the
eight without moving it on your "attempt'? (And of course posting in the "confession thread" afterwards.)

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

It will be a makeable combo unless you leave the twelve above the nine, but if you do that, I'll pin you to the back of the nine as I leave the twelve back on the long rail. you've still gout no possilbe kick in, and I've taken a forward step in the direction of creating a breakout, and, in the very unlikely event that the breakout doesn't develop, my worst case scenario is being able to run out off a very simple bankshot of the twelve in the corner. You can prolong the agony, but you can't beat me to the shot by fiddling around with the twelve. You'll never see a possible kick-in.

I see where you're going with this but don't you think my chances are better forcing you to execute several consecutive safeties than taking a chance at a low percentage masse? You make one mistake and I can turn the tides.

I play enough 8-ball to know this isn't a gimme. Obviously, I would LOVE to take a chance at winning as quickly as possible but given how low percentage any opportunity is, I'm going to draw things out and hope that my opponent makes a mistake first.

 

[AZE]

I give up ball in hand here - if he can get that 12 away from that hole (even with BIH) then he deserves to beat me from there... I think I'm the favorite even giving BIH up.

 

[whitey2]

DOH, I did not realize that there were 2 different pics here

DOH, I did not realize that there were 2 different pics here. I thought the second one was
just a quoted copy of the first. When I made my second comment, it was applicable to the
situation in the second picture.

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

I give up ball in hand here - if he can get that 12 away from that hole (even with BIH) then he deserves to beat me from there... I think I'm the favorite even giving BIH up.

With BIH, I pocket the 9-ball, nudge the 12 to the rail and I'm out. I even have the 13-ball as back-up and can use the 12 for defense if it doesn't go.

 

[sjm]

I see where you're going with this but don't you think my chances are better forcing you to execute several consecutive safeties than taking a chance at a low percentage masse? You make one mistake and I can turn the tides.

I play enough 8-ball to know this isn't a gimme. Obviously, I would LOVE to take a chance at winning as quickly as possible but given how low percentage any opportunity is, I'm going to draw things out and hope that my opponent makes a mistake first.

Evey safety I will play is a gimme, but I agree you can make me execute several of them. Perhaps that's your best chance, but I think you'd need to play exquisitely just to get a stalemate out of this rack, a possibility I've ignored, because the premise of this thread is consideration of how to land the eight ball, not how to play for a stalemate.