Hunter v Frost, your stance?

ShortBusRuss said:
Yeah.. If Scott "was playing with himself". :rollseyes

Why are you pretending not to know what I mean on every single post? It is getting tiresome. You can disagree with me all you like, but don't play dumb. It's tiresome.

If Scott was playing Ko Pin Yi, and Ko Pin Yi called a foul on him for allowing his shirt to touch a ball, and there are a ton of fans around... You think Scott argues? I.e. "if Scott is playing an elite pro".....
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Boy if I wanted to agree with you I couldn't because I have more pool knowledge and experience in my little finger than you do in the lump of ....you call a body.
 
BRussell said:
lol you’re being a bit of a drama queen here. The ref made a bad call, it happens in every sport all the time, it doesn’t make a dumpster fire.
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When they proport to be the savior of American pool....it's an embarassment.
 
Two points. First, the rule says the ref is permitted to request input from spectators. Before this ref might have done so, someone chimed in saying the shirt touched. I would argue that if the ref was receptive to that input, she was within the permission-to-ask-spectator rule.
Second, big guys with big bodies and big shirts are at a disadvantage bending over balls in all ball fouls situations. It's up to them to make adjustments as opposed to just shooting as comfortably as possible. That's not unfair, just as it's not unfair that taller players have an advantage at the table over very short guys.
 
VTEC John said:
Two points. First, the rule says the ref is permitted to request input from spectators. Before this ref might have done so, someone chimed in saying the shirt touched. I would argue that if the ref was receptive to that input, she was within the permission-to-ask-spectator rule.
Second, big guys with big bodies and big shirts are at a disadvantage bending over balls in all ball fouls situations. It's up to them to make adjustments as opposed to just shooting as comfortably as possible. That's not unfair, just as it's not unfair that taller players have an advantage at the table over very short guys.
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Fat shaming in pool, what's next? 😅
 
VTEC John said:
Two points. First, the rule says the ref is permitted to request input from spectators. Before this ref might have done so, someone chimed in saying the shirt touched. I would argue that if the ref was receptive to that input, she was within the permission-to-ask-spectator rule.
Second, big guys with big bodies and big shirts are at a disadvantage bending over balls in all ball fouls situations. It's up to them to make adjustments as opposed to just shooting as comfortably as possible. That's not unfair, just as it's not unfair that taller players have an advantage at the table over very short guys.
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None of that trumps calls favoring the shooter.

Scott asked him to call a ref if he wanted....and to let him shoot.
Then Hunter calls foul.
That's not how this is supposed to go.
 
jasonlaus said:
Fat shaming in pool, what's next? 😅
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Are we just too conservative and old to understand anyone under 30 anymore?

Where do these people learn to think this way?

In another 20 or 30 years they can bury me with my cues and I'll play in pool heaven.
 
bbb said:
i have seen the ugly side of scott in several matches
but in this case he handled himself very well
interesting it was hunter who would barely make eye contact on the hand shake at the end.
personally even if its the rule it was very nitty to call it
its like getting a speeding ticket for 2 miles over the limit
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The only thing nittier was the 4 eyed spectator who had to say "I saw it too"

It was a time for choosing and Hunter chose to be a nit.
 
Qaddiction said:
Sorry if this has already been mentioned.

IMO: Don't play "All ball fouls", unless every table has a ref on duty and watching intently.
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IMO: Always play "all ball fouls" at every level of the game as it creates an environment where very few players don't call their own fouls and almost all players become aware that they should do their utmost to avoid fouling. This is not rocket science.
 
Swighey said:
IMO: Always play "all ball fouls" at every level of the game as it creates an environment where very few players don't call their own fouls and almost all players become aware that they should do their utmost to avoid fouling. This is not rocket science.
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You live in fantasy land?? Without refs 'all ball fouls' is a recipe for disaster. Sorry to burst your bubble pard but your take on human nature is FAR different from the reality i've witnessed over 40yrs of playing.
 
smoochie said:
I actually have a big problem with this especially what the referee girl has said.

She went "The player on the chair acts as a referee if the referee isn't there, so you've seen it, then its a foul" ?????????? REALLY????????

Let me tell you something, if I play you next time and the referee isn't next to me i'll call a foul on my opponent every second shot cause I ACT AS A REFEREE AND ITS FOR MY BEST INTEREST TO GET BALL IN HAND.

Listen I am sorry but this is just so wrong. Obviosly the opponent want to call a foul cause he gains from it, how on earth would we know that he actually touched the 6ball???? its his word against mine, i'm on the last 3 balls obviously he wants to get to the table he'd do anything. The guy on the outside could be hunter's friend too who knows?

I really am shocked here, hunter should never taken a foul because he was responsible to call the referee to see and observe that would have been my ruling, the girl referee was mistaken big time.
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No it's not so wrong. It's so right. The non-shooting player should always act as referee if nobody else has been appointed to act as referee. The shooting player should also call their own fouls. The non-shooting "referee" should call a foul only if they are sure it's a foul. If they are not sure they have no business even mentioning it. None of this is rocket science and all of it should be a standard feature of a pool playing environment. Whether or not the right decision, by either player and ultimately the referee in this situation, was made doesn't change this.
 
garczar said:
You live in fantasy land?? Without refs 'all ball fouls' is a recipe for disaster. Sorry to burst your bubble pard but your take on human nature is FAR different from the reality i've witnessed over 40yrs of playing.
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Seems to work just fine all over Europe. We don't have refs at any of our league matches here in Germany, at all levels, and people either call fouls on themselves, or trust their opponent if they call a foul. Not one problem in 7 years of playing here. And "this ain't APA league". Some of these guys have beaten the names you guys are watching on the stream.
 
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