Who makes "KC" cues? we have a few at the retirement center and they hit and feel really good. I am sure they are made overseas, cause I have seen other cues with a different brand name that are almost the same.
i am a cue maker from China,want to make friends here to know your opinions
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SPINDOKTOR said:
What would be an example of a low deflection tip or low deflection tip technology?
Kao Fa cues are made by one Taiwan company.CaptainHook said:Who makes "KC" cues? we have a few at the retirement center and they hit and feel really good. I am sure they are made overseas, cause I have seen other cues with a different brand name that are almost the same.
Here is the webpage http://www.poolcues.com.tw
There are some examples of cues on the company webpage.
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ratcues said:
What are you trying to do - give away all the trade secrets...
Just for clarity's sake, Fury, Blaze, and Sterling cues all pretty much don't have the issues you raised above.
They have good shiny finishes, the irish linen wraps are tight and smooth, the parts are pretty much the same as what is found in most US cues, fiber rod, aegis, delrin, and most are purchased from US companies for that reason. Tips are Le Pro or Triangle.
Our shafts are pretty much interchangeable right now. Although this is something that most cuemakers don't have a real good handle for a variety of reasons beyond what you have stated above. Within the next three months all of the shafts on the higher end lines will be 100% interchangeable with every other butt.
Our weights are interchangeable. Shaft tapers are 14-18" depending on the model.
Balance is between 17-18" from the bumper.
How are we doing?
chunchin said:
The Link does not take me to the Home page?
John Barton said:
I'd also get away from strange male pins. Knock-off radials, metric, odd quick release...... They make it near impossible to work on or upgrade. No aftermarket/performance shaft will screw on to a Fury, for example, without being custom made.
this might be why the rest of the world hates us. jmo and the worldsclassiccues said:I think the problem is that 6 year olds don't have the skills to apply finish or treatments. If you put the chemicals in a super soaker water pistol, I think you will achieve much better success.
JV
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ratcues said:
I agree with you here. On the Fury RP cues there is a real Radial(r) pin. I think that somewhere along the line there was a wave of proprietary joint pins where a lot of makers thought that they should have "their own" so to speak.
Pressing the left button of your mouse on the homepage picture willCaptainHook said:
take you to http://www.poolcues.com.tw/service/. From there, on the left column, there is a choice of languages ( Chinese or English). Hope this help.
chunchin said:
Thank you, it worked.
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chunchin said:
Wow I went to the custom cues section and thought I was on the South West website..
JV
I would go as far as to recommend people trying Kao Fa cues. A lot of them are a great price and hit really really well.
One of the top Asian Pros uses one (an older guy - cant remember his name).
AND if you want to spice the cue up, Southwest shafts fit on the joint and will play with no problems
One of the top Asian Pros uses one (an older guy - cant remember his name).
AND if you want to spice the cue up, Southwest shafts fit on the joint and will play with no problems
classiccues said:Wow I went to the custom cues section and thought I was on the South West website..
JV
Yeah, here's another suggestion. Do not do blantent copies of American cuemakers. Do something original. Use original materials. Use real inlays. Transfer and decals won't cut it.
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classiccues said:Wow I went to the custom cues section and thought I was on the South West website..
JV
They are "tributes" Joe.
I guess if they are gonna copy something then that's not a bad thing to try.
Remember about 20 years ago when all that was coming out of Taiwan and China was REALLLLLLY bad decal copies of Meuuci and McDermotts? Because they were the only ones with catalogs......
I can't speak for Kao Fa but I can tell you that Kao Kao has their own in-house designers who do great stuff on their own. Inlays, Decals (the PC word is Overlays) and combination inlay/overlay designs.
I have some pretty wild inlay cues in the pipeline. I might share a design or two with AZ.
Just for kicks about 3 months ago we did a version of Thomas Wayne's snake skeleton with the inlaid leather wrap that spirals around the cue. Not to sell it but to learn how to do it. I used a laser with a rotary attachment to cut the pocket for the leather. Turned out crude but cool. They had already done a version of the skeleton inlays. Everyone starts out copying someone to some degree and builds from there.
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ratcues said:
You know I wonder why transfers get such a bad rap? Don't any of you remember how hard it was when we were kids to get the transfers right on the models we did? I do.
Well I gotta tell you I have some pretty good appreciation for the skill it takes to put decals on cues. You think it's easy but it's not. Try putting on four long skinny fragile decals and getting them all lined up straight and evenly spaced before the moisture evaporates. A lot of times it's more than that depending on the design.
And while I appreciate the level of craftsmanship it takes to do inlays I think it's also a skill to properly design a decal cue that works well when it comes time to put the overlays on.
On top of that it brings the look of high end cues to a price range that's affordable for most.
I think that the plethora of overlay designs just makes the great inlay ones that much more desirable and valuable.
And overlays are an accepted part of design in just about every field, especially woodworking where you can buy decals at any Woodworkers Supply store. And at any Hobby Lobby.
Does it take more skill to put a piece of wood in a CNC and let it cut four points or to line them up by hand and not be a thousandths of an inch off?
I used to be a decal snob. Not any more.
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Here are some original cue designs. These are all decals but we could have done almost any of them as inlay cues as well.
Sterling Artistic Pool Cues
The newest 20 or so in this line are 100% our designs. There are a few cues still in the line that take influence from other brands but they are all diamonds and spears.
There is one cue there that a cue maker friend of mine who shall remain unnamed picked up and remarked that he might have to steal the design from China. The other famous cue maker standing beside him when he said it didn't think it was too funny but me and ...... were cracking up.
Sterling Artistic Pool Cues
The newest 20 or so in this line are 100% our designs. There are a few cues still in the line that take influence from other brands but they are all diamonds and spears.
There is one cue there that a cue maker friend of mine who shall remain unnamed picked up and remarked that he might have to steal the design from China.
The other famous cue maker standing beside him when he said it didn't think it was too funny but me and ...... were cracking up.
Before anyone
starts making assumptions, I went to the KF cues website and looked through their cues. All of the custom cues said 'inlay' and not overlay. I noticed the production cues did not specifically say 'inlay' in the description like the custom cues did, but they could be.
There were 4 custom cues that caught my eye, so I requested prices on them just to satisfy my curiousity. Some had inlays with alternate ivory (is that manmade ivory or water buffalo ivory??) and melamine.
They do take credit cards and Paypal, in case you're interested.
starts making assumptions, I went to the KF cues website and looked through their cues. All of the custom cues said 'inlay' and not overlay. I noticed the production cues did not specifically say 'inlay' in the description like the custom cues did, but they could be.
There were 4 custom cues that caught my eye, so I requested prices on them just to satisfy my curiousity. Some had inlays with alternate ivory (is that manmade ivory or water buffalo ivory??) and melamine.
They do take credit cards and Paypal, in case you're interested.