I don’t like it

I don't like it either Fatboy, but the times they are a changin'. We are roughly the same age, so I have seen what you have seen. Sometimes the illusion or fantasy we have from the outside is not what it seems when we view it from the inside. I think the allure of an old west gunslinger or card player in a saloon has the similar appeal to pool. In reality, I'm sure it was nothing like how it was portrayed in the movies.

I'm disgusted with a lot of things in this world that I see today. We live in a time of cell phones and cameras, the internet and artificial intelligence, big brother and big tech. We are only touching the surface of what is to come, for better or for worse. I try to be a positive person, but I don't see a lot of hope for the future. I believe we are living in the collapse of the US. We live in a world full of pussy internet trolls and a society filled with mental illness. There will be some good things for sure, but as we have learned from history, man repeats himself. The only difference is we have bigger, faster, more powerful way to destroy ourselves now.

What I wouldn't give to go back to the seventies, wearing bell bottoms and throw a quarter in a pop machine and get a real bottle! Those day are gone. The days of the pool hustlers are gone and they are not coming back. The days of instant replay are here to stay. We may never see a baseball manager kick dirt on an umpire or spit in his face again. America, the world, is not what it once was. Hell, Vegas isn't even what it once was and I don't think it is better either. Whenever you change anything, something has to give. That is the nature of change, like it or not.
Yes and now we need to be able to see 380 at all times and a 38 handy might come in handy at all times... Guy
 
Ok here it goes. I can’t keep it bottled up any longer.

Where to start? Who knows so I’ll just fire out a list in no particular order:

Purple 5 ball

Shaws record-disputes

WADA

Was this a foul? Was that a foul? Let’s watch in instant replay.

Where’s Daz, where’s Gorst? Who else is missing?

Table specs & what’s a record and what isn’t.

This is reminding me of instant replay in football and is way to technical, which is why I ignore football or any other technical nonsense milk drinker sport.

I came into pool 40 years ago because it was rough around the edges, the 5 was orange and people weren’t under the microscope. If they had habits it was on them. It was every man for himself. It wasn’t perfect, it was broken then and that was ok.

People could hustle other people, obtaining money under false pretenses was celebrated not looked down on.

You wanted to learn you had to pay your dues. Now you can buy your dues(almost).

2 records in the same run? To make everyone happy. The rule nazi’s and the rest of the pool fans? How does that even make sense?

Champions who should be in tourneys are sidelined for saying “fuk” or what ever or because they are from the wrong country.

All the PC shit is worming it’s way into pool. Had I saw this coming, I’d have passed long ago. I’d have never been part of the pool world in any shape or form.

I miss guys like UJ Puckett, Grady, Keith, Cole, Bobby Pickle, etc. Broken people with personality’s and yet they made their way in life and were fun. I’m a broken person and I can’t make a ball compared to them. Not in the same league, but I’m fun and not a milk drinker. There were lots of non-pro people in pool who were personality’s. I don’t see new ones coming in and others leaving for these PC reasons.

I’m tired of the milk drinker robots, wrong color balls and constantly arguing over the pocket size just to have a record “modified” because maybe a ball was brushed ina exhibition. Shaw was cool and said what he had to about it-he’s smart, however what he thought and said I’d bet are 2 VERY different things. Think the guys listed above would have gave that answer 30 years ago? Shaw had no choice-again he’s smart.

It’s taking the seediness, smoky back room Allure that pool had for me. WADA? Gtfo of here!!!! Go to the Olympic’s not pool!!!!

If I disappear tmr from pool this is why, not many will notice. But I refuse to succumb to the current state of affairs.

🟧Fatboy🟧
I like tradition. I like the old style of game, straight pool and I'm fascinated with 10 foot tables. I wish the tables were green and the balls traditional colours.

However, I don't like all the things you like. Sure the seediness can be appealing from a distance, but are you really going to miss con men and robbers, drug dealers and murderers? I just want to relax and push some balls around, I dont' want to be scrambling for my life because someone on the table over pulled a knife or a gun! I want to have a chat with my friends and not have some loud mouth constantly trying to challenge me into a match.

The situation with the game today is partly because a gambling game, 9 ball has been converted to a tournament game, a role it does not fit. It's an unfair, lucky and not really apt game for someone to be competing at in a sporting manner. It has it's charm, but it's a hustlers game, a carnival game, not a sport. So they have to make all sorts of provisions to make the game into something it's not in order to sell it as a quasi-sport. Tight pockets, break rules and all sorts of other modifications are results of this simple mistake.

Wadas involvement, again, is a result of pushing pool into a world in which it doesn't belong, with the milk drinkers going to bed at 8 pm and powerful athletic governing organizations. Seriously, drug testing in pool is nonsense. But some people can get powerful, paid positions by pushing this agenda, so here we are.

I completely changed my mind about the the breaking of the high run record. As I see it finally, in a clear light, it has proven very disappointing to me. It has revealed how artificial and stupid this sort of thing is. It's not even pool, it's just a sideshow piece of nonsense. I love straight pool, I love playing it and watching competitions. I even like trying to beat my own high runs. But I hate watching people set up ludicrously easy conditions, polishing the balls until they have absolutely no friction, sometimes even during the run itself, using stupid stuck-on-templates, pockets with customized drop angles , shallow shelves and other such artificial and gamebreaking "hacks". I was wrong before, because i didn't see the big picture. It's supposed to be about the skill, the creativity and mastery of the game. Part of that is having an opponent, and playing for something and knowing that if you run out of shots or miss, it has serious consequences. Now it's all about setting up conditions such that you cannot fail, not about playing the game. It's a completely sterile almost laboratory version of the game. They're not even doing this right, with the John Schmidt cheating incident.. They couldn't even cheat properly, you know the lawyer kind of way, where you're bending the rules to the absolute breaking point but staying within the framework of the rules. They had to actually sink so low as to f-ing cheat...That for me, was the straw that finally broke the camels back. They took a nice thing, Willie Mosconi putting on a show for an audience and his pool hall owning friend and they completely destroyed it. Made it into a joke, with no joy to it, shitting all over Mosconi in the process. It's like the movie industry of today taking all the old heroes and stories and turning them into trash, sucking all the soul out of them and replacing them with copies that have only a faint resemblance of what was once there.

I finallly got old and it sucks. I get it now. You kids have fun with your stupid music and lame ball colours and stay off my lawn.
 
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I like tradition. I like the old style of game, straight pool and I'm fascinated with 10 foot tables. I wish the tables were green and the balls traditional colours.

However, I don't like all the things you like. Sure the seediness can be appealing from a distance, but are you really going to miss con men and robbers, drug dealers and murderers? I just want to relax and push some balls around, I dont' want to be scrambling for my life because someone on the table over pulled a knife or a gun! I want to have a chat with my friends and not have some loud mouth constantly trying to challenge me into a match.

The situation with the game today is partly because a gambling game, 9 ball has been converted to a tournament game, a role it does not fit. It's an unfair, lucky and not really apt game for someone to be competing at in a sporting manner. It has it's charm, but it's a hustlers game, a carnival game, not a sport. So they have to make all sorts of provisions to make the game into something it's not in order to sell it as a quasi-sport. Tight pockets, break rules and all sorts of other modifications are results of this simple mistake.

Wadas involvement, again, is a result of pushing pool into a world in which it doesn't belong, with the milk drinkers going to bed at 8 pm and powerful athletic governing organizations. Seriously, drug testing in pool is nonsense. But some people can get powerful, paid positions by pushing this agenda, so here we are.

I completely changed my mind about the the breaking of the high run record. As I see it finally, in a clear light, it has proven very disappointing to me. It has revealed how artificial and stupid this sort of thing is. It's not even pool, it's just a sideshow piece of nonsense. I love straight pool, I love playing it and watching competitions. I even like trying to beat my own high runs. But I hate watching people set up ludicrously easy conditions, polishing the balls until they have absolutely no friction, sometimes even during the run itself, using stupid stuck-on-templates, pockets with customized drop angles , shallow shelves and other such artificial and gamebreaking "hacks". I was wrong before, because i didn't see the big picture. It's supposed to be about the skill, the creativity and mastery of the game. Part of that is having an opponent, and playing for something and knowing that if you run out of shots or miss, it has serious consequences. Now it's all about setting up conditions such that you cannot fail, not about playing the game. It's a completely sterile almost laboratory version of the game. They're not even doing this right, with the John Schmidt cheating incident.. They couldn't even cheat properly, you know the lawyer kind of way, where you're bending the rules to the absolute breaking point but staying within the framework of the rules. They had to actually sink so low as to f-ing cheat...That for me, was the straw that finally broke the camels back. They took a nice thing, Willie Mosconi putting on a show for an audience and his pool hall owning friend and they completely destroyed it. Made it into a joke, with no joy to it, shitting all over Mosconi in the process. It's like the movie industry of today taking all the old heroes and stories and turning them into trash, sucking all the soul out of them and replacing them with copies that have only a faint resemblance of what was once there.

I finallly got old and it sucks. I get it now. You kids have fun with your stupid music and lame ball colours and stay off my lawn.
I'm in my 80s played pool most of my life and can agree with you all the way home... Guy
 
The game is the last to evolve. I am happy to see the game transforming and put on the pedestal it deserves to be put on and the pro‘s being treated as such. The trash hustler gambling side has held it down long enough.
 
There’s a poll on FB what is most disliked about MR…..purple 5-ball is leading the pack.
 
ok

I’m clueless when it comes to grammar or spelling.

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FB I've been watching some MR, 9 b, what ever you do or what influence you have in pool world please stay after all to keep the ball colors we have had for many years the same... I thought they were only doing it because of the gray cloth, but I see all colors of cloth, blue and green, the pink ball is enough.. Someday all will be neon it will look like a bowling alley... Best of luck... Guy
 
Ok here it goes. I can’t keep it bottled up any longer.

Where to start? Who knows so I’ll just fire out a list in no particular order:

Purple 5 ball

Shaws record-disputes

WADA

Was this a foul? Was that a foul? Let’s watch in instant replay.

Where’s Daz, where’s Gorst? Who else is missing?

Table specs & what’s a record and what isn’t.

This is reminding me of instant replay in football and is way to technical, which is why I ignore football or any other technical nonsense milk drinker sport.

I came into pool 40 years ago because it was rough around the edges, the 5 was orange and people weren’t under the microscope. If they had habits it was on them. It was every man for himself. It wasn’t perfect, it was broken then and that was ok.

People could hustle other people, obtaining money under false pretenses was celebrated not looked down on.

You wanted to learn you had to pay your dues. Now you can buy your dues(almost).

2 records in the same run? To make everyone happy. The rule nazi’s and the rest of the pool fans? How does that even make sense?

Champions who should be in tourneys are sidelined for saying “fuk” or what ever or because they are from the wrong country.

All the PC shit is worming it’s way into pool. Had I saw this coming, I’d have passed long ago. I’d have never been part of the pool world in any shape or form.

I miss guys like UJ Puckett, Grady, Keith, Cole, Bobby Pickle, etc. Broken people with personality’s and yet they made their way in life and were fun. I’m a broken person and I can’t make a ball compared to them. Not in the same league, but I’m fun and not a milk drinker. There were lots of non-pro people in pool who were personality’s. I don’t see new ones coming in and others leaving for these PC reasons.

I’m tired of the milk drinker robots, wrong color balls and constantly arguing over the pocket size just to have a record “modified” because maybe a ball was brushed ina exhibition. Shaw was cool and said what he had to about it-he’s smart, however what he thought and said I’d bet are 2 VERY different things. Think the guys listed above would have gave that answer 30 years ago? Shaw had no choice-again he’s smart.

It’s taking the seediness, smoky back room Allure that pool had for me. WADA? Gtfo of here!!!! Go to the Olympic’s not pool!!!!

If I disappear tmr from pool this is why, not many will notice. But I refuse to succumb to the current state of affairs.

🟧Fatboy🟧
Gotta hang out in the poolrooms. That's where we keep the grit in the game.
 
I’ve been betting since I was young. To me, you can make any claim you want…but if you don’t want to bet on it, it’s white noise.
…..there’s always been people who feel they got a right to their opinion without backing it up…more white noise.
This gets me in trouble all the time. I say bet and people get offended. I say when I was growing up saying bet was serious because it meant you were ready to put your money where your mouth is.
 
LOL. I was in one such place Saturday night. JOB's in Nashville. I am standing there, in a haze of smoke smelling of menthol cigs and cheap stogies, watching about 8 or 10 different people woofing at each other trying to match up. 30 pool tables and not a single one is open. There is an old, frail looking black man, I think they are calling him "Slick", struggling to walk around a a tight black diamond table. He can't walk great, but I have yet to see him miss a ball. When he wins he adds 5 $20 bills to a gangster roll secured with a rubber band and leans on the rail as he patiently waits for the next set to be negotiated.

My buddy is playing $400 a game 1 pocket in the "pit". The walls are adorned with original posters for the Camel Tour, signed pictures of pros from Minnesota Fats to The Miz, and Televisions so old I swear a couple still have Rabbit ears. I am almost sure the carpet, which is duct taped in various places, is original to the business as are the wooden bleachers.

Everybody that works behind the bar has a pistol on their hip, and I can't be positive, but I am pretty sure the waitress was printing with an inside- the- waistband holster. They will gladly walk ladies (and men, I guess) to their cars when they leave, as this place is not in the best part of town. For the record, if you leave, and a young thuggish looking guy asks if you "cleaned up" on the tables tonight, the answer is ALWAYS "Nope, they wiped me out!"

My crew ALWAYS complains about the smoke and bitches about how it should be illegal to allow smoking indoors. Period. When I get home, my wife will make me put the clothes I am wearing directly into the washing machine due to the smell...not only the smoke, but the deep fryer that is always running in the kitchen there. Man I love this place!

The greeter at the door always has a smile..

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One of the most iconic rooms on earth!
 
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