I have a coworker who was duped by KT

mrpool06

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I had travelled out of town with this coworker for a job (9-10 yrs ago)....along the way, he started trying to interest me into selling/buying "Nutrition for Life". I recall him saying he & his wife had to buy $100.00 of their products per month, but if you could get people underneath you, you could make a ton of $$$$. I did not buy into it (I've had people try to push Amway onto me before). I remember him saying that he got in on a ground-floor opportunity at just the right time. He had also talked about KT being a great business man who was onto something big.

I believe my coworker had also tried pushing it off on other coworkers, who all side-stepped his offers or conveniently had other plans. I think he finally gave up on it, & got out of Nutrition for Life.

Pyramid scheme!!!!!

Here's some more reading on KT:

http://dir.salon.com/story/books/feature/2005/07/29/trudeau/index.html?pn=1
 
mrpool06 said:
I had travelled out of town with this coworker for a job (9-10 yrs ago)....along the way, he started trying to interest me into selling/buying "Nutrition for Life". I recall him saying he & his wife had to buy $100.00 of their products per month, but if you could get people underneath you, you could make a ton of $$$$. I did not buy into it (I've had people try to push Amway onto me before). I remember him saying that he got in on a ground-floor opportunity at just the right time. He had also talked about KT being a great business man who was onto something big.

I believe my coworker had also tried pushing it off on other coworkers, who all side-stepped his offers or conveniently had other plans. I think he finally gave up on it, & got out of Nutrition for Life.

Pyramid scheme!!!!!

Here's some more reading on KT:

http://dir.salon.com/story/books/feature/2005/07/29/trudeau/index.html?pn=1

Thats funny you mention that. About 10 years ago Mike Sigel. had a booth at the BCA show selling that crap. He was telling me all the money he was making and he didn't ever want to play pool again he was making so much cash he was going to be set for life. There was a sign that KT was going to be there in person to answer questions and what ever. Long story short, KT never shows up.

Sigel sat there all the first day obviously having no idea what he was talking about becoming the laughing stock of the BCA show. You honestly, had to be embarrassed for him, he seemed like such a fool. Here he is one of the greatest players of all time at a pool venue instead of doing something pool related, he is sitting there trying to push this ridiculous get rich quick scheme. The next day the booth was empty and no one was there the rest of the show.
 
macguy said:
Thats funny you mention that. About 10 years ago Mike Sigel. had a booth at the BCA show selling that crap. He was telling me all the money he was making and he didn't ever want to play pool again he was making so much cash he was going to be set for life. There was a sign that KT was going to be there in person to answer questions and what ever. Long story short, KT never shows up.

Sigel sat there all the first day obviously having no idea what he was talking about becoming the laughing stock of the BCA show. You honestly, had to be embarrassed for him, he seemed like such a fool. Here he is one of the greatest players of all time at a pool venue instead of doing something pool related, he is sitting there trying to push this ridiculous get rich quick scheme. The next day the booth was empty and no one was there the rest of the show.

That's a good story.

He is not alone. There is a whole industry, a large one, based on this sort of deception. The internet is their wildest dream come true. I was recently trying to look up some medical disorders and there thousands of fake cures for everything.

It is very difficult to tell what is real and what really is "alternative medicine". The odd thing is, it seems many who get sucked into these witchdoctor scams are well educated and very bright.

Chris
 
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macguy said:
Thats funny you mention that. About 10 years ago Mike Sigel. had a booth at the BCA show selling that crap. He was telling me all the money he was making and he didn't ever want to play pool again he was making so much cash he was going to be set for life. There was a sign that KT was going to be there in person to answer questions and what ever. Long story short, KT never shows up.

Sigel sat there all the first day obviously having no idea what he was talking about becoming the laughing stock of the BCA show. You honestly, had to be embarrassed for him, he seemed like such a fool. Here he is one of the greatest players of all time at a pool venue instead of doing something pool related, he is sitting there trying to push this ridiculous get rich quick scheme. The next day the booth was empty and no one was there the rest of the show.
Interesting. This explains the "friendship" between KT & Sigel. Maybe KT felt bad for duping Sigel into selling the crap & handpicked (setup) him to beat LJ in the first IPT King of the Hill match.
 
mrpool06 said:
Interesting. This explains the "friendship" between KT & Sigel. Maybe KT felt bad for duping Sigel into selling the crap & handpicked (setup) him to beat LJ in the first IPT King of the Hill match.
I assure that he doesn't feel bad about anything. He's an egotistical con man... one without a conscious. He made his money by swindling people out of their money. Many pool players across the WORLD have lost sleep over the money they "won" in Reno... KT sleeps soundly.

KT took lessons from MS and since they're both two peas in a pod (self centered, obnoxious, egotistical, etc) they hit it off and became good friends. Their friendship wasn't because KT had experienced the feeling of guilt for once in life but was because he found someone with similar personality traits.
 
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somebody tried to get me into one of these deals

Somebody tried to get me into one of these schemes back in the late sixties, some health food crap or supplements or something. Their parents were investers and directly under the founder since they were close friends before the business originated. I was way too smart to get involved with such foolishness having been introduced to Amway when I was twelve.

Anybody ever hear of a company called Herbal Life? It still hurts to think about it! :( :o :( :o :(

Hu
 
macguy said:
Thats funny you mention that. About 10 years ago Mike Sigel. had a booth at the BCA show selling that crap. He was telling me all the money he was making and he didn't ever want to play pool again he was making so much cash he was going to be set for life. There was a sign that KT was going to be there in person to answer questions and what ever. Long story short, KT never shows up.

Sigel sat there all the first day obviously having no idea what he was talking about becoming the laughing stock of the BCA show. You honestly, had to be embarrassed for him, he seemed like such a fool. Here he is one of the greatest players of all time at a pool venue instead of doing something pool related, he is sitting there trying to push this ridiculous get rich quick scheme. The next day the booth was empty and no one was there the rest of the show.

mac,
hillarious..I was at a regional pool tournament (2004??) at a small casino and MS had a booth for cues there. I never saw the booth open, but I saw MS playing marathon $3-$6 hold'em. I remember thinking...what happened to the guy I use to watch light the t.v. on espn when I was a kid?? it was actually sad.
not much changed in that 10 years huh?
 
ShootingArts said:
Somebody tried to get me into one of these schemes back in the late sixties, some health food crap or supplements or something. Their parents were investers and directly under the founder since they were close friends before the business originated. I was way too smart to get involved with such foolishness having been introduced to Amway when I was twelve.

Anybody ever hear of a company called Herbal Life? It still hurts to think about it! :( :o :( :o :(

Hu

You know, I just saw a van with an Herbal Life magnetic sign on the side. I didn't even know it was still around. They were big at one time doing extensive television advertising. The funny thing about all that stuff whether it's Amway or what ever is. If someone put in the intense effort required for those schemes into something legitimate, they would be successful. The time a dog track player devotes to studying racing forms they could graduate from law school.

Pool players are the same. They devote so much time to playing pool and just bumming around that if they redirected that time and effort they would be successful at most anything. Trouble is, by the time they discover that fact it is too late. That pool can be like a drug and is not always good for some people. I had a customer in my pool room who was a plastering contractor.

He never really played pool or hung around pool rooms till he came in my place. In no time it was all he was doing. He would stop in at noon and never leave. He started going to the track with the bums who hung around, loaning them money, playing cards and so on. In a few months his marriage, business and life in general was going down the drain. He quit cold turkey and never came in again and got back to the real world away from the of pool room bums who would have destroyed his life.
 
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mrpool06 said:
I had travelled out of town with this coworker for a job (9-10 yrs ago)....along the way, he started trying to interest me into selling/buying "Nutrition for Life". I recall him saying he & his wife had to buy $100.00 of their products per month, but if you could get people underneath you, you could make a ton of $$$$. I did not buy into it (I've had people try to push Amway onto me before). I remember him saying that he got in on a ground-floor opportunity at just the right time. He had also talked about KT being a great business man who was onto something big.

I believe my coworker had also tried pushing it off on other coworkers, who all side-stepped his offers or conveniently had other plans. I think he finally gave up on it, & got out of Nutrition for Life.

Pyramid scheme!!!!!

Here's some more reading on KT:

http://dir.salon.com/story/books/feature/2005/07/29/trudeau/index.html?pn=1

that is just like Amway. Multi level marketing
 
Herbal Life

At that level my friend's parents were soon extremely wealthy. He became a bum himself. No job, no drive, no ambition, hard to go turn wrenches for a living when you know you have more money than you can spend in your lifetime. All he did was wander around in a suit. Hopefully, he got his life back on track and went back to his old foolish carefree ways after a few years. All of that money was a burden and encumbrance. I sure felt sorry for him. Poor Bast@rd!

Hu


macguy said:
You know, I just saw a van with an Herbal Life magnetic sign on the side. I didn't even know it was still around. They were big at one time doing extensive television advertising. The funny thing about all that stuff whether it's Amway or what ever is. If someone put in the intense effort required for those schemes into something legitimate, they would be successful. The time a dog track player devotes to studying racing forms they could graduate from law school.

Pool players are the same. They devote so much time to playing pool and just bumming around that if they redirected that time and effort they would be successful at most anything. Trouble is, by the time they discover that fact it is too late. That pool can be like a drug and is not always good for some people. I had a customer in my pool room who was a plastering contractor.

He never really played pool or hung around pool rooms till he came in my place. In no time it was all he was doing. He would stop in at noon and never leave. He started going to the track with the bums who hung around, loaning them money, playing cards and so on. In a few months his marriage, business and life in general was going down the drain. He quit cold turkey and never came in again and got back to the real world away from the of pool room bums who would have destroyed his life.
 
LOL this talk about pyramid schemes reminded me of something funny from a few years back. When I was 18 I was looking for work because a movie theatre I worked for closed down. This guy from the poolhall that I knew, who wasn't really the sharpest tool in the shed if you know what I mean, told me he could get me a job that payed real well, no experience required. He told me to wear a suit and tie and meet him at the poolhall the following week at a certain time.

I still remember him pulling up to the poolhall in his '85 datsun, looking all excited as he drove up. My friend, a 30ish immigrant from the Phillipines didn't know exactly what type of 'work' we were going to be interviewed for. All he knew is that it promised that you could make alot of money. We drove to a really upscale and extremely tall building on Ventura Blvd in the San Fernando Valley of LA. When we arrived in the parking lot, I remember seeing some guy in a suit and tie on the other end of the parking lot arguing on his mobile (or carphone), while leaning against a beat up chevy with a dent in the side. I knew it was his car because I remember seeing him slam the door.

So we get to the building, and I have to admit that it was an exciting feeling. Me being 18, wearing a suit and tie, and walking on this beautiful marble floor in this building where rich people worked, it made me feel like I was doing something with my life. Even the elevator was pristine. No scratched-in graffiti anywhere, everything was just beautiful and polished. The "interview" was in one of the office suites. When we got to the room, let me say I was less than impressed. About four dozen metal folding chairs in the middle of an empty room with a water cooler and a podium. Sitting on the folding chairs were about four dozen people dressed like my friend and I, waiting anxiously for one of the business reps to make their entrance. The saddest part was how stupid everyone looked. The expressions on some people's faces were as if they had hit the jackpot. They must have felt special to have been 'selected' for this 'interview'.

About 15 minutes later, the same guy in the suit and tie that owned the beat-up chevy, that I saw arguing on his mobile phone in the parking lot, walked in the room and stood behind the podium. His first words were, "We do not allow tape recorders or any type of recording devices in this room. (pause) Hello, my name is -----. How many of you would like to earn six figures in your pajamas?"

To make a long story short, it was a pyramid scheme, and the guy tried to explain why this company was not a pyramid scheme, by drawing a pyramid, and then drawing branches off the pyramid, which miraculously made it totally legit. LOL.

The company's name was Equinox. I think they got busted for something not too long after that. Anyways, I'm glad I didn't fall for it. I'm actually even more glad that I saw the speaker leaning against his beat up chevy hidden in the corner across the parking lot. During his speech, he acted like he was some rich tycoon who drove three Ferraris LOL. If I didn't see the parking lot scene, I might have believed him and bought some of the crap they were trying to sell. Let me tell you, this guy could make anyone believe the stuff he was saying. He was one hell of a speaker. People were nodding vigorously to every damn word he spoke. I felt like I was trapped in hell. I was too scared to get up and use the bathroom. There was this massive surly looking security guy standing at the door behind us. He was probably the lookout if the police were planning a raid.

I feel sorry for those poor suckers that bought into that crap. I actually had to talk my friend out of it, LOL.
 
ShootingArts said:
At that level my friend's parents were soon extremely wealthy. He became a bum himself. No job, no drive, no ambition, hard to go turn wrenches for a living when you know you have more money than you can spend in your lifetime. All he did was wander around in a suit. Hopefully, he got his life back on track and went back to his old foolish carefree ways after a few years. All of that money was a burden and encumbrance. I sure felt sorry for him. Poor Bast@rd!

Hu

I would like to be able to respond but I don't understand your post.
 
Man, Do I Know A Sucker

Here is one for ya! My relative has fallen for almost every single scam on the planet. They use to drink animal protien that smelled like a dead animal. Gulp it right down as a supliment. They purchased 6 thousand pounds of rice and beans and stored it in their garage. Then tried to give it away 10 years later when the shelf life was up. The real kicker was when I went over their house and there was two enema bags hanging down from the chandilier in the living room and they started telling me how much they liked giving each other an enema while watching TV. Them folks was freaky.
Purdman:rolleyes:
 
Purdman said:
Here is one for ya! My relative has fallen for almost every single scam on the planet. They use to drink animal protien that smelled like a dead animal. Gulp it right down as a supliment. They purchased 6 thousand pounds of rice and beans and stored it in their garage. Then tried to give it away 10 years later when the shelf life was up. The real kicker was when I went over their house and there was two enema bags hanging down from the chandilier in the living room and they started telling me how much they liked giving each other an enema while watching TV. Them folks was freaky.
Purdman:rolleyes:

I was drinking a glass of juice when I got to that line and and I am now cleaning it off my key board. I haven't laughed that hard in a long time. That is the funniest post ever written on this board.
 
macguy said:
I was drinking a glass of juice when I got to that line and and I am now cleaning it off my key board. I haven't laughed that hard in a long time. That is the funniest post ever written on this board.


The truth is stranger than fiction in many cases! You know I didn't just make that up.
Purdman:cool:

Sorry about the key board.:eek:
 
Purdman said:
Here is one for ya! My relative has fallen for almost every single scam on the planet. They use to drink animal protien that smelled like a dead animal. Gulp it right down as a supliment. They purchased 6 thousand pounds of rice and beans and stored it in their garage. Then tried to give it away 10 years later when the shelf life was up. The real kicker was when I went over their house and there was two enema bags hanging down from the chandilier in the living room and they started telling me how much they liked giving each other an enema while watching TV. Them folks was freaky.
Purdman:rolleyes:

Silly Purdman, it's not called an enema, it's "colon cleansing" or even "irrigation". This is the cure for most ailments. I know more than a few people who have fallen for that one and some borderline health professionals who have supplemented their income with such nonesense.

Should I ever need my colon cleansed, I'll match up with Efren.

Chris
 
in other words . . .

macguy said:
I would like to be able to respond but I don't understand your post.


In other words:

The son never had reason or need to work another day in his life. He became one more of the idle rich!

Hu
 
To clear up some misconeptions, I'd like to share a little of my 25 years of successful experience with Network Marketing.

First, the biggest problems with it are over zealous guys like KT (and the other lazy con artists whom the above posts illustrate) hyping the crap outta it by claiming easy money, miraculous cures, etc. It ain't easy and there's no magic formulas. I think the figure is something like 98% don't make any money at all. That is mostly because they were duped into believing guys like KT and their "easy" bull.

It is a legitmate business system, but it has been hurt badly by the Amway "come over for dinner" lies and other dishonest techniques to get people involved. There are countless garages full of worthless products because of these lies. Fraud is practiced by some in NM, but the concept, per se, is not fraudulent. In fact it is a thing of beauty, if practiced honestly.

My biggest problem over the years has been to overcome these unecesary problems created by hucksters. Once burnt, twice shy.

Now, for the good side....I can do anything anytime I want because I've built a repeat customer base. Here I am at 9:00 am in my robe on AZ instead of sitting in cubicle waiting for orders. I have 100s of customers who have been using the product longer than I. It's called "passive" income, even though I was not passive when I set up the deals, it is somewhat "passive" now. I still deal with customers, but thanks to technology, 99% of my customers order online and I simply get an email telling me what they bought (and ~ what I made).

If I wanted to go pro, I'd love to have my type of business to help me as it could be done on the road with a laptop.

The fraudulent information is on both the pro and con sides of this business, so study the facts before prejudging the system, please...and watch out for the KT azzhole types.

Jeff Livingston
 
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