I have a coworker who was duped by KT

[Billiard Architect]

Man did this bring up a memory. There was a couple that my parents knew when I was a kid. They lived in a trailer home in PA. They had another "friend" invite them over for dinner and started talking Amway. The husband got really excited because at the time work in the area was slim. They signed up and the guy did his best to sell the crap that they purchased. When they talked to the "friend" again and asked why they wern't making the money that they were promised the "friend" stated that he thought it was time to make them a "distributor". No sales involved all they did was supply the people that sold the product. Seeing dollar signs in his eyes the guy signed the piece of paper. Well @ 2 in the morning on a chilly Jan evening they get a knock on the door. When they answered it there was a truck driver there with their first shipment. An 18 wheeler full of Laundry Detergent. The truck driver stated that he delivered it and he was not responsible for unloading it. The driver climbed in his cab and went to sleep while this guy and his wife unloaded the 18 wheeler into their trailer home. They had boxes and boxes of Laundry Detergent. The biggest surprise is when they got the invoice for the Detergent. I know it took them a good 2 years to pay off the invoice and another 3 years to finally get rid of all that Detergent. My parents bought a lot from them cuz they felt sorry for them. So did a lot of their friends. Mysteriously there wern't a lot of sales people asking for their supply.

 

[Snapshot9]

I know ..

I have gone to a few 'interviews' that turned out to be presentations to 20-25 people on multi-level marketing schemes, based on commissions, of course, after a guaranteed minimum wage for 30 days ... lol

I have walked out of a few too. They are getting innovatative on sucking you in to their presentations.

As long as everyone is confessing, I bought a $400 water purification system once .... just an addon appliance like PUR offers now .... but it was the same one that NASA uses ... lol

Ever notice how all the great products associated with NASA are invented
for space flights, not as a result from any space flights, and we are spending billions on NASA for what EXACT PURPOSE? We know it's cold out there, and no one could live there, and who cares if their rocks are heavier than ours? Besides, no one could live long enough to ever reach a planet in another of the many universes they say there are, so exactly why do we keep spending billions on useless missions?

 

[trueblu8]

You know, I just saw a van with an Herbal Life magnetic sign on the side. I didn't even know it was still around. They were big at one time doing extensive television advertising. The funny thing about all that stuff whether it's Amway or what ever is. If someone put in the intense effort required for those schemes into something legitimate, they would be successful. The time a dog track player devotes to studying racing forms they could graduate from law school.

Pool players are the same. They devote so much time to playing pool and just bumming around that if they redirected that time and effort they would be successful at most anything. Trouble is, by the time they discover that fact it is too late. That pool can be like a drug and is not always good for some people. I had a customer in my pool room who was a plastering contractor.

He never really played pool or hung around pool rooms till he came in my place. In no time it was all he was doing. He would stop in at noon and never leave. He started going to the track with the bums who hung around, loaning them money, playing cards and so on. In a few months his marriage, business and life in general was going down the drain. He quit cold turkey and never came in again and got back to the real world away from the of pool room bums who would have destroyed his life.

Sounds a lot like drinking, the key word being moderation. But where's the fun in that? Good point about the time people spend on certain things. But I guess those things are what's fun or interesting to them at the time and the rest just seems like work. It's easy to dedicate yourself to things that are fun for you, but hard to dedicate yourself to things that seem like work.

 

[Billiard Architect]

I have gone to a few 'interviews' that turned out to be presentations to 20-25 people on multi-level marketing schemes, based on commissions, of course, after a guaranteed minimum wage for 30 days ... lol

I have walked out of a few too. They are getting innovatative on sucking you in to their presentations.

As long as everyone is confessing, I bought a $400 water purification system once .... just an addon appliance like PUR offers now .... but it was the same one that NASA uses ... lol

Ever notice how all the great products associated with NASA are invented
for space flights, not as a result from any space flights, and we are spending billions on NASA for what EXACT PURPOSE? We know it's cold out there, and no one could live there, and who cares if their rocks are heavier than ours? Besides, no one could live long enough to ever reach a planet in another of the many universes they say there are, so exactly why do we keep spending billions on useless missions?

Oh sh*t the water purifier reminded me of another one... I got this card in the mail that I was to call a 1 800 number because i had just won a prize. Well I was bored and decided what the hell. So call it and a guy that seemed like he had been doing this forever answered the phone. He stated that I won either a Buick, a 7,000 dollar check or a 35mm camera. All I had to do was purchase an ion air freshener for 10 easy payments of 79.99. I told him "Wow I actally won?". You could hear it in his voice that he thought he had snagged one. After explaining how nice the Buick was I told him I was sorry and that there was no way I could afford a ion air freshener and that I really didn't need one anyway. He told me "wait, wait, wait it looks like his prize department was trying to get a hold of him..." Suddenly another guy got on the phone and said Mr Smith (because I never give my name to scams like this). It seems we have some great news for you. Your call has been selected for "Double Prize!" "We would like to ask you how you want that 14 THOUSAND dollar check made out to". I said "Man is this exciting!!!" I said "Ok please make the check out for 13,201 dollars and make the payee John Smith. There was a long pause on the other end of the phone. He said no you don't understand you won 14 thousand. I said "Great send me a check for 13,201 bucks. That will cover the cost of the 799 ion air freshener." And then they hung up on me. I guess I can't ever say I didn't win anything. I would have bet that had I given my CC number for the ion air freshener that 3 weeks later a 5 buck plastic 35 mm camera would have been sitting in my mailbox.

 

[Colin Colenso]

To clear up some misconeptions, I'd like to share a little of my 25 years of successful experience with Network Marketing.

First, the biggest problems with it are over zealous guys like KT (and the other lazy con artists whom the above posts illustrate) hyping the crap outta it by claiming easy money, miraculous cures, etc. It ain't easy and there's no magic formulas. I think the figure is something like 98% don't make any money at all. That is mostly because they were duped into believing guys like KT and their "easy" bull.

It is a legitmate business system, but it has been hurt badly by the Amway "come over for dinner" lies and other dishonest techniques to get people involved. There are countless garages full of worthless products because of these lies. Fraud is practiced by some in NM, but the concept, per se, is not fraudulent. In fact it is a thing of beauty, if practiced honestly.

My biggest problem over the years has been to overcome these unecesary problems created by hucksters. Once burnt, twice shy.

Now, for the good side....I can do anything anytime I want because I've built a repeat customer base. Here I am at 9:00 am in my robe on AZ instead of sitting in cubicle waiting for orders. I have 100s of customers who have been using the product longer than I. It's called "passive" income, even though I was not passive when I set up the deals, it is somewhat "passive" now. I still deal with customers, but thanks to technology, 99% of my customers order online and I simply get an email telling me what they bought (and ~ what I made).

If I wanted to go pro, I'd love to have my type of business to help me as it could be done on the road with a laptop.

The fraudulent information is on both the pro and con sides of this business, so study the facts before prejudging the system, please...and watch out for the KT azzhole types.

Jeff Livingston

Well said Jeff,
Multi-Level-Marketing is not the problem, is just part of the means used by some scam operations that are more interested in recruiting new members than in providing good products at value prices via an effective sales system.

I also went through an Amway introduction, which included all the hype to recruit one's friends and colleagues. I saw it ruin people's lives and many friendships.

I got out pretty quickly, the main reason being that I thought the products had small demand and were over priced. Not to mention there was little effort to actually teach people how to sell, market, distribute effectively. Just hype about making millions and recruiting bunches of other sellers to do your work.

Anyway, almost all products that reach the consumer market go through various levels. Affilliate type programs are also very effective in various marketing models.

In the end, it should come down to selling good products and doing so at a profit via your investments in $, capital and effort.

Colin

 

[trueblu8]

Well said Jeff,
Multi-Level-Marketing is not the problem, is just part of the means used by some scam operations that are more interested in recruiting new members than in providing good products at value prices via an effective sales system.

I also went through an Amway introduction, which included all the hype to recruit one's friends and colleagues. I saw it ruin people's lives and many friendships.

I got out pretty quickly, the main reason being that I thought the products had small demand and were over priced. Not to mention there was little effort to actually teach people how to sell, market, distribute effectively. Just hype about making millions and recruiting bunches of other sellers to do your work.

Anyway, almost all products that reach the consumer market go through various levels. Affilliate type programs are also very effective in various marketing models.

In the end, it should come down to selling good products and doing so at a profit via your investments in $, capital and effort.

Colin

Don't the big corporations have all the good markets and products cornered already? I believe at least here in the U.S. they do. This one guy tried to get me in on his pyramid scheme selling cell phones and telecommunications services. When I asked him what phone models his company had to offer they were all a bunch of crap. I thought to myself, no one's going to want these. They'll never be able to compete with the big corporations like t-mobile, verizon, and sprint, forget about it. Same thing with appliances too, my wife's cousin, dumb ass, got suckered into this one pyramid scheme trying to sell appliances like you would find at best buy, circuit city, kmart, walmart, or sears. He started telling me how these Indian people who got him into it were all rich and shit. I was thinking to myself, poor bastard, he was so excited though, I couldn't find it in my heart to burst his bubble, he was already getting enough flak from his wife, better for him to find out on his own.

 

[jimmyg]

$$$$$ Make a Million $$$$$

Anyone interested in making $$$$millions$$$$ with very little investment and even less work required, please contact me directly.

Buy Natural Cures and IPT franchise and regional distributorships - no experience required. Especially good for those with no morals or ethics.

Jim

 

[trueblu8]

Oh sh*t the water purifier reminded me of another one... I got this card in the mail that I was to call a 1 800 number because i had just won a prize. Well I was bored and decided what the hell. So call it and a guy that seemed like he had been doing this forever answered the phone. He stated that I won either a Buick, a 7,000 dollar check or a 35mm camera. All I had to do was purchase an ion air freshener for 10 easy payments of 79.99. I told him "Wow I actally won?". You could hear it in his voice that he thought he had snagged one. After explaining how nice the Buick was I told him I was sorry and that there was no way I could afford a ion air freshener and that I really didn't need one anyway. He told me "wait, wait, wait it looks like his prize department was trying to get a hold of him..." Suddenly another guy got on the phone and said Mr Smith (because I never give my name to scams like this). It seems we have some great news for you. Your call has been selected for "Double Prize!" "We would like to ask you how you want that 14 THOUSAND dollar check made out to". I said "Man is this exciting!!!" I said "Ok please make the check out for 13,201 dollars and make the payee John Smith. There was a long pause on the other end of the phone. He said no you don't understand you won 14 thousand. I said "Great send me a check for 13,201 bucks. That will cover the cost of the 799 ion air freshener." And then they hung up on me. I guess I can't ever say I didn't win anything. I would have bet that had I given my CC number for the ion air freshener that 3 weeks later a 5 buck plastic 35 mm camera would have been sitting in my mailbox.

Good one, I'm going to try this next time. Only now it's that they want you to go to some seminar, or a dinner or something to get your prize. I just hang up on 'em.

 

[trueblu8]

Here is one for ya! My relative has fallen for almost every single scam on the planet. They use to drink animal protien that smelled like a dead animal. Gulp it right down as a supliment. They purchased 6 thousand pounds of rice and beans and stored it in their garage. Then tried to give it away 10 years later when the shelf life was up. The real kicker was when I went over their house and there was two enema bags hanging down from the chandilier in the living room and they started telling me how much they liked giving each other an enema while watching TV. Them folks was freaky.
Purdman

That was the most disgusting thing I ever heard, lol!

 

[Colin Colenso]

Don't the big corporations have all the good markets and products cornered already? I believe at least here in the U.S. they do. This one guy tried to get me in on his pyramid scheme selling cell phones and telecommunications services. When I asked him what phone models his company had to offer they were all a bunch of crap. I thought to myself, no one's going to want these. They'll never be able to compete with the big corporations like t-mobile, verizon, and sprint, forget about it. Same thing with appliances too, my wife's cousin, dumb ass, got suckered into this one pyramid scheme trying to sell appliances like you would find at best buy, circuit city, kmart, walmart, or sears. He started telling me how these Indian people who got him into it were all rich and shit. I was thinking to myself, poor bastard, he was so excited though, I couldn't find it in my heart to burst his bubble, he was already getting enough flak from his wife, better for him to find out on his own.

I can't recall the stats, but there is a pretty active turnover of fortune 500 companies and I'd imagine similar trends for medium and small size businesses.

Certainly new operations can be successful. But if some simple and non-impressive product business looks too good to be true, it's probably part of a scam.

Also, anyone who actively recruits people who have no experience or skill requirements is almost certainly trying to bleed some money out of them.

Colin

 

[macguy]

Sounds a lot like drinking, the key word being moderation. But where's the fun in that? Good point about the time people spend on certain things. But I guess those things are what's fun or interesting to them at the time and the rest just seems like work. It's easy to dedicate yourself to things that are fun for you, but hard to dedicate yourself to things that seem like work.

That's the secret. You are most successful doing what interests you. In the case of pool players the ones trying to make a living playing the game are on the lowest rung of the ladder. They have to find a nitch where they are still involved in the game and can make a living at it. Room owner, cue maker, supply house owner, maybe give lessons or exhibitions what ever, sometimes you have to think outside the box.

Trying to live off winnings is a futile endeavor for even the most talented. This would even have been true if the IPT had taken off. Just a hand full of players would have made any money. The rest would have survived and most would have made very little and even the ones who did well, once out of the IPT for what ever reason would most likely have ended up with nothing to show for the time spent. Playing pool for prize money is not a profession, but there are areas in the industry where you can play, and be around it and make a living.

You know an interesting question people can ask themselves? If I won the lottery would I continue doing what I do now? If you can answer yes, you are a very lucky person because you have a job or profession you love that much. When Edison was asked how he worked 18 hour days for so many years he answered, "I have never worked a day in my life". That's a pretty good life.

 

[chefjeff]

Well said Jeff,
Multi-Level-Marketing is not the problem, (snip)
In the end, it should come down to selling good products and doing so at a profit via your investments in $, capital and effort.

Colin

The question to ask yourself if you're considering a biz is, Would I buy this product anyway if I wasn't selling it? That is, is it worth the retail price for me? If not, how in the hell can you talk to others about effectively using it? If no one is using the stuff, the biz is built on shifting sand and will soon collaspe, by nature. Hype won't stop it. Sound familiar, IPT?

And dump the exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When the IPT used those over and over!!!!!!!!!!!!, I tuned out immediately as I don't like others shouting orders at me...ya know!!!!!!???????!!!!!!! False promises, false money...disgusting, imho. Disgusting, I say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Btw, anyone wanna buy something?

Jeff Livingston

 

[!Smorgass Bored]

I Know Which Questions To Ask

Anyone interested in making $$$$millions$$$$ with very little investment and even less work required, please contact me directly.

Buy Natural Cures and IPT franchise and regional distributorships - no experience required. Especially good for those with no morals or ethics.

Jim

OK, OK, but when do I get PAID ?
Doug

 

[TheMarsMan]

I don't have too much experience with Network Marketing, I have seen enough to realize that it wasn't for me.

When you see people who are trying harder to recruit other people than sell a product you should know that you have a problem.

I had a friend who was taken for over a quarter of a million from one of these schemes, I tried to talk sense into him, but he was completely brainwashed. When I would try and talk to him, he told me that they had told him about negative people like myself that don't want others to be more successful then themselves.

The whole concept of network marketing is flawed, there is no such thing as a free lunch. Why should the people who first start the marketing get the bulk of the money? It seems to me the person selling the product and the manufacturer should make the most money and not some middleman who has done nothing. No business is going to prosper when there are many people who sit around and do nothing collecting money, it isn't possible to sustain this. Another company which is run correctly will pop up and sell the product at a cheaper price where only the people involved in a sale gets paid.

Common sense is anything but common!

 

[justnum]

Common factors in successful people are knowing limitations.
Also pushing for progress, a burden all its own, which must be shared.

 

[Str8PoolMan]

Where have I heard that before?

...When I would try and talk to him, he told me that they had told him about negative people like myself that don't want others to be more successful then themselves....

This sounds eerily familiar...

 

[jimmyg]

Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyg
Anyone interested in making $$$$millions$$$$ with very little investment and even less work required, please contact me directly.

Buy Natural Cures and IPT franchise and regional distributorships - no experience required. Especially good for those with no morals or ethics.

Jim

OK, OK, but when do I get PAID ?
Doug

Just got a memo from KT. He said that you'll get paid right after Bernie.

Jim

 

[1pRoscoe]

To make a long story short, it was a pyramid scheme, and the guy tried to explain why this company was not a pyramid scheme, by drawing a pyramid, and then drawing branches off the pyramid, which miraculously made it totally legit. LOL.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PVEqDIc5J1U

 

[cuejoey]

Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyg
Anyone interested in making $$$$millions$$$$ with very little investment and even less work required, please contact me directly.

Buy Natural Cures and IPT franchise and regional distributorships - no experience required. Especially good for those with no morals or ethics.

Jim



Just got a memo from KT. He said that you'll get paid right after Bernie.

Jim

LOL

 

[chefjeff]

I don't have too much experience with Network Marketing, I have seen enough to realize that it wasn't for me.
(snip)

I had a friend who was taken for over a quarter of a million from one of these schemes, (snip)!

This sounds as impossible as some claims from some in NM. $250K "taken" from him? How was this done?

Jeff Livingston