I love beautiful cues...but...

Commented and answered.... He'll run MORE racks with a better instrument..

I disagree. It's like saying a Harley is better than a Honda for getting you from point A to point B.

It's not.

While some may "prefer" a Harley, that doesn't make it better for it's intended purpose, which is to get you from one point to another.

Cues are no different.

;)
 
I am with OP on this whole "slap a decent tip on a cue shaped piece of wood" things and you are good to hook. I won my first bit of coin in pool with a $16.00 KMart 54" cue, It had a real live tip and ferrule on it and I installed a triangle tip on it... and that tip was magic... one of those triangles that just keeps on going and going and going forever.

The only reason I would even contemplate going to a Custom Cue Maker is so that I could get precisely what I want in a cue..... and since you are wondering:

30" butt with 2 30" shafts, Merry Widow, Straight ugly plain bland solid hard rock maple throughout with a white phenolic Hoppe ring and no other adornments. Bumperless with a stainless steel bolt plate. Fully cored forearm. 3/8 x 10 PILOTED, yes.. piloted stainless pin with the piloted nubbins on both shafts. I will also want a Predator 314 and OB Classic Pro shafts converted to the piloted inserts, so a total of 4 shafts. Total cue weight 18 ounces or there abouts depending on the shafts.

But for new players... they have to get to the point where they have been through the ringer with different cues and shafts before they know what they want.

I have won many many racks with a Walmart cue. I have seen players come to Tourneys and play with a house cue and finish in the money.....
 
You can drive a yugo around a track, and a good driver can drive it around a track with a better time, bet he'd do better with the Porsche though. That link if the guy who ran the rack with a broomstick. Wow, he can make shots with a ball in every pocket?? Obviously not set up, wish I was that good
 
I would say if you took two players at the same level, they would play better with better equipment. rock maple, smooth shaft, nice tip and good balance is what is important. With that being said, no cue in the world is going to make up for poor fundamentals. 100 - 200 bucks for a good production cue is what I would suggest. just my two cents.
 
I disagree. It's like saying a Harley is better than a Honda for getting you from point A to point B.

It's not.

While some may "prefer" a Harley, that doesn't make it better for it's intended purpose, which is to get you from one point to another.

Cues are no different.

;)

Let's see.....

Player: Predator Ikon2-4.... Check
Back-up Cue: Lucasi Custom.... Check
Break Cue: Poison/Samsara tip.... Check

Hmmmm...


Where's YOUR broomstick?
 
Video was a set up no doubt!!

As far as what you like to drive the pool balls around with is a personal preference. I like what I like it feels good in my hand..my joint is tight the taper is smooth... the ferrule is clean, the tip is the right hardness its scuffed,burnished and trimmed it feels the way I like and holds chalk. So if it cost me 50.00 or 5000.00 to get there... its what I like and feel comfortable shooting with. Pool is recreation.... very few play pool to pay a light bill etc.... you spend on it what you feel comfortable with spending. If Im enjoying myself its not with a 15.00 walmart cue...it would probably be adequate..to pocket balls....but I wouldnt enjoy it as much. Whether some one is better than you..has more talent...would be the same no matter what they are shooting with. I ve seen Earl play with some pretty ugly cues.. so the talent thing ..doesnt have much to do with what you like to drive.
 
There is a lot more to a cue than just a tip. For one, the shaft wood, taper, and, balance of a cue goes a long way in how it hits and feels. Sure, you pay more for a custom but at least you can make most of your money back when you decide to sell it down the road.

Kind of a moot point if you only paid 150 for your cue, don't you think? Also as I've said before, shaft taper can be fixed with 5 bucks worth of sandpaper.

Balance and weight can also be adjusted with a 3 dollar weight bolt if its too light. If its too heavy, with a hacksaw blade.

Custom cues are nice to have if you have the money to spend.
 
I just put away my high end lambros and started playing with a predator road line. It plays great and I no longer have to worry about banging it on stuff or something happening when I fly to vegas.
 
Well said by the OP, when I started I tried cues that others owned but at that point could not justify the cost. I ended up with a Players cue. I was happy enough with that but the one recommendation that everyone gave me was stay away from meucci. I ended up finding someone that had one they did not use, tried it and loved it. I now own that cue and use it regularly. I even picked up another one. Everything equipment wise is based on opinion because of the subjective nature of preference.
 
I have this conversation with a friend all the time ! I say if its fairly straight & has a decent tip they are all really just pieces of wood .I say take the best player in your pooroom and let him shoot using the cues of the 3 worst players in the room He will still be the best in the room A Bad Carpenter Blames His Tools. Just My 2 Cents worth !
 
..beautiful cues do not pocket balls any better than any other cue with a "decent" tip.

I see a lot of new players asking advice on cue recommendations. I see a lot of long time players recommending this cue or that cue from "insert custom maker here". While I am all for helping custom makers make a living, suggesting custom cues to new players simply on a subjective opinion of their play-ability I don't see as being too helpful. What may shoot well for you someone else may hate.

Its all wood, plastics, metals, etc.....But, it still comes down to a good tip.

If you have the ability to play, you can run balls with a 5000 custom cue or a 15 dollar Walmart cue, provided it has a decent enough tip.

In my opinion, the only suggestion we should give a new player as far as selecting a cue is, try some and see what calls out to you....That will be your best choice, whether it's a 2500 custom or a 200 production......

That sounds profound but it really is not that true. I have been working on cues for almost 40 years. There are big differences between a well made mid range cue and a $15.00 cue from Walmart.
The shaft wood will be one of the first you will notice.

Most of the cheap cues like you describe have Ramin wood shafts. If they do have maple it will just be a random piece of wood probably not at all suitable for use in a pool cue. The ferrules are often not even screwed on or glued on at all. They are just press fitted on and in a short time will split or come loose making noise. Weights will come loose, the wraps come loose and the complete fit and finish will be very poor.

One of the most common questions I get when I go to the pool room is

"Can you hit some balls with my cue, it is making a noise".

They hand me a cheap cue that makes noise, vibrates, deflects like a fishing pole and they wonder why they are having trouble trying to learn how to play. A good player could not play with one of those cues much less a beginner.

The play of cues like this can be so bad as to really inhibit a player from playing their game. You don't think a cue makes a difference, I saw Parica lose $5000.00 and the prop was he had to play with a house cue not his own. He picked out the best cue he could find but it didn't matter. The game that was already handicapped and was too close a match and the cue changed the outcome.

You have to have good tools to do most anything. You mention Guitars. When I was a kid I wanted to learn to play. My dad bought me a Sears Silvertone guitar. When I began taking lessons the teacher just loaned me a guitar till I could get a decent one. My next was a Gibson. I think I would have quit if I had to play that Sears guitar. The Gibson was such a pleasure I could not wait to play it.

You don't need a high end cue with a load of inlay to play good pool but you do need a decent cue. There is more to the cue then just a tip. It is like a guitar, an instrument. It needs to be responsive and have a feel you like. Although subjective I have seen many cues that no one could play with. They would be for sale in the pool room and player after player would hit balls with it and hand it back.

Some cues are just dead. You feel like it is work just to to play with it, you feel the weight of the cue in your hand from the moment you pick it up it never feels natural. I think it is a disservice to tell someone they can buy a $15.00 cue end begin learning the game. There is a limit to how cheap you can go. There are some pretty good imports but you still have to pay a decent amount for a well made cue. A cue where the maker has cut every corner in manufacturing just to save a few cents is not worth your time.

Your biggest investment on your pool game will not be your cue, it will be the hundreds if not thousands of hours you will put in on the table. Don't short change yourself playing with junk equipment. I doubt you would play on a table that rolled off with patched up cloth and dirty balls because they charged you a buck or two an hour less to play. In fact you would not play on that table if it was free. You should have the same attitude for your cue. You don't need to be spending $50. to $70. a week playing in the pool room with a $15.00 cue. You have to have more respect for yourself.
 
Agreed-

My main point of the post is just because I may love my "custom" cue, you may think it sucks. When someone is new to the game and they are getting advice to go and buy a 500 custom sneaky simply because i said it was a great hitting cue is not very good advice. It very well may turn them away when they drop 500 and find out they hate the way it plays. It would be far better to get whatever is available to you in the area you are in, get a good tip on it...and play.....100 for a cue and 400 worth of playing time will be a bot better than 500 for a cue alone..

We all know, at least the players that have been rolling balls around for 20-30 years like myself, we know that cues come and go. I have cheap cues that shoot and feel great with ugly decals or shotty inlay work and I have higher end cues that look beautiful and shoot ok.....

Pool cues are like guitars. I have several high end (2500+) guitars and I have several low end sub 400 guitars. Because of the way I have them setup my sub 400 guitars play and sound just as sweet as my high dollar guitars....
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For beginning players, who have yet to understand the intricacies that go along with advancing cue knowledge,
a low cost cue with a non layered tip would be fine until the player graduated to a new, possibly custom cue.

McDermott, and Meucci were my starter cues until I bought a McDaniel and
my Ed Young.

I understand what you're saying.
enjoy your day and
"keep spinnin' them balls"
-"Bugs" Rucker

-CP
 
Well, well...this is quite a revelation....it isn't necessary to buy an expensive custom to be a good player? F'n genius.
 
There really isnt a big difference between ANY cues, whether its 20 dollars or 20,000....Wood may "look" better but really be of inferior quality. As long as a cue is built good enough not to fall apart in you hands, you can take and put a good tip on it and it will be fine. Differences lie in balance, deflection, etc....which again, high dollar doesnt always mean better.

The best suggestion for a beginner is to purchase a low end cue, get a decent tip installed on it...and play......I will go to any bar, find a decent house cue that isnt a banana, put a tip on it at the house, and still run as many balls as I do now....

While lower deflection does help, it isnt a necessity for a good game.

Everything about cues being "better" than any other is hype.

While I respect cuemakers, and I have a few higher end cues, I bought them simply because i wanted them, not to improve my game. I do use OB shafts because I play better with them, however, I can play with any cue just as well given enough time with it.

I disagree with you.

You can't have box and put good guitar strings and expect the guitar player to play well.

Just like you cannot have a world class chef put mustard on a shit sandwich and expect it to taste better.

Yes, a good shooter can hit his target with a water gun but he is not going to kill what he is aiming for.

Cues play a big part in how you play but only from a certain price range. As you get higher in the price range the difference is miniscule unless we're regarding looks, as I mentioned earlier.
 
Kind of a moot point if you only paid 150 for your cue, don't you think? Also as I've said before, shaft taper can be fixed with 5 bucks worth of sandpaper.

Balance and weight can also be adjusted with a 3 dollar weight bolt if its too light. If its too heavy, with a hacksaw blade.

Custom cues are nice to have if you have the money to spend.

I agree with this. Most people buying high dollar cues are buying styling for the most part and not much more. I've played long enough to know what I like in a cue, namely I prefer one that is forward weighted, lighter than most, and with a long thin taper. But, I can adapt quickly with a butt heavy cue that is shorter, stiffer and with more or less deflection than I am used to. That is because I don't allow my mind to be burdened with all of the B.S. that a lot of folks allow themselves to believe are hugely important.

Having said that, custom cues are functional works of art and I can appreciate that. To me, they are worth about $200 - $300 and anything above that range is something that I would never consider in this lifetime.
 
Kind of a moot point if you only paid 150 for your cue, don't you think? Also as I've said before, shaft taper can be fixed with 5 bucks worth of sandpaper.

Balance and weight can also be adjusted with a 3 dollar weight bolt if its too light. If its too heavy, with a hacksaw blade.

Custom cues are nice to have if you have the money to spend.

You are overpaying for your sandpaper and bolts.
 
I disagree with you.

You can't have box and put good guitar strings and expect the guitar player to play well.

Just like you cannot have a world class chef put mustard on a shit sandwich and expect it to taste better.

Yes, a good shooter can hit his target with a water gun but he is not going to kill what he is aiming for.

Cues play a big part in how you play but only from a certain price range. As you get higher in the price range the difference is miniscule unless we're regarding looks, as I mentioned earlier.

The only problem with what you say is that pool cues aren't guitars or water guns and in pool, your not concerned about the sound of the cue contacting the ball, nor are you trying to kill something. OK, maybe you are trying to kill someone, it is pool after all, but not by penetrating g his heart with the stick.

Anyway, everyone would be much better served if the worked on developing a repeatable, accurate stroke, learn to read the stack, run out patterns etc and focus less on inlays, joint/ferrule material, etc.

I saw a great local player run so many racks of nineball with a cracked and loose ferrule that it made my head spin. His equipment did not take away from his confidence or ability.
 
For me it's more about the state of mind that my equipment helps me to achieve. Ever changing, never stagnant.
 
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