Exactly. I can accept straight draw if someone can justify where that spin came from. Otherwise it has to be bottom right.
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Exactly. I can accept straight draw if someone can justify where that spin came from. Otherwise it has to be bottom right.
Why doesn't somebody just jump on facebook and ask Cory what he was thinking and how he played it? I'd like to know why he used any kind of draw in the first place. Looks to me like using high left would have been less risky, but I'm no Cory D.
Looks like he used bottom right to me.
Looks like he used bottom right to me.
If he wasn't expecting it then he probably used low right so the cue ball would spin up table of 1st rail.
I made a similar shot a few months ago by accident using low right.
My cue ball was about 2 feet closer to the object ball I used a very smooth accelerated power draw with low right expecting the cue to spin up table off the 1st rail.
Instead, the cue ball hit the rail close to the side pocket, bounced straight out about 8 inches, made a sharp curve and came straight down to the end rail where It gave me an easy run out.
I agree with all of this, but considering how hard Corey had to hit the shot, I think that much spin could be entirely caused by contact with the OB. I also don't think he could get that much draw with any significant amount of side.
Appreciate your thoughts, Aaron. Do you ever get to Chris's any more?
pj
chgo
Watched the shot many times. I think a ton of bottom with a hair of RH Engrish!!
I haven't been to Chris's for quite a while. Really looking forward to my next trip up there - it has always been one of my favorite rooms. I will be sure to PM you next time I'm in Chicago.
Take care,
Aaron
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If you watch the cue ball go into and come off the first rail, you'll see that it's on virtually the same line going in as coming out, and pretty straight into the rail. For that to happen, the cueball can't have any appreciable side spin.
Corey can hit the ball surprisingly hard on these stroke shots. It's always amazed me at how close tot he miss cue point he can get and still hit it very hard. At other times, he still hits it hard, but much closer to the center. It still spins, but not nearly as fast. This ability to control the relationship between the traveling speed of the cueball and the spin of the cueball is, in my opinion, one of Corey's strongest traits. He regularly uses speed and spin all over the range of soft with maximum spin to extremely hard with minimal spin.
It's a true talent.
Royce
Corey can hit the ball surprisingly hard on these stroke shots. It's always amazed me at how close tot he miss cue point he can get and still hit it very hard. At other times, he still hits it hard, but much closer to the center. It still spins, but not nearly as fast. This ability to control the relationship between the traveling speed of the cueball and the spin of the cueball is, in my opinion, one of Corey's strongest traits. He regularly uses speed and spin all over the range of soft with maximum spin to extremely hard with minimal spin.
It's a true talent.
Royce
Doesn't look like bottom right to me...
Doesn't look like bottom right to me...
The pre-shot line up might lie. The camera angle might lie. But the cue ball path doesn't.
It also means the CB didn't pick up much spin from that rail, so all the spin remaining on the ball at the end was on it before hitting that rail. That means either Corey juiced up the sidespin or most of it came from colliding with the OB (I think the latter is believable because of the high speed of the shot).
Either way, it appears the spin had to be on the CB before hitting the first rail, but didn't have much effect on the CB's rebound angle - I think that's believable with new slick cloth, which is the norm for these tournaments.
pj
chgo
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Patrick
I don't think it had any appreciable side spin.
It goes into the rail fairly straight on, and comes out the same way. If it had any sidespin, it would have changed it's course.
Just pure draw, like only Corey and maybe a few others can do.
Just watch after it bounces off the rail and the speed slows down enough for the draw to start to grab. It's trying to come straight back down the table, but it just runs out of spin and continues to roll.
Royce
I don't think it had any appreciable side spin.
It goes into the rail fairly straight on, and comes out the same way. If it had any sidespin, it would have changed it's course.
Just pure draw, like only Corey and maybe a few others can do.
Just watch after it bounces off the rail and the speed slows down enough for the draw to start to grab. It's trying to come straight back down the table, but it just runs out of spin and continues to roll.
Royce
Without being at table level, the optics can be a illusion and we can't tell where he's aiming......or intends to strike the cue ball. I think the shot is played with low left english...."not more" than 1/4 - 1/3 tip.....1/2 tip strikes me as likely being too much English....... from dead center 6 o'c o'clock. The velocity of the stroke and speed of the cue ball confirms for me it struck the 4 ball while the cue ball was rotating with lots of rotational spin remaining....at least that's how I would play the shot.
When I watch how the cue ball deflects into the rail almost in a perpendicular line and then reverses itself off that rail.........well, that tells me it wasn't right hand english because the cue ball would have taken a different path onto the rail and the spin off the rail back to the kitchen would have been quicker too.
The 4 ball is a wee bit north of the 2nd diamond near center table and the cue ball strikes the right hand rail just south of the 2nd diamond....the cue ball path into the rail is a little curved but still almost perpendicular..... and then the cue ball reverses direction off that rail and heads back to the kitchen......that isn't low, middle or top right hand English in my evaluation of the video.
Matt B.
When I watch how the cue ball deflects into the rail almost in a perpendicular line and then reverses itself off that rail.........well, that tells me it wasn't right hand english because the cue ball would have taken a different path onto the rail and the spin off the rail back to the kitchen would have been quicker too.
The 4 ball is a wee bit north of the 2nd diamond near center table and the cue ball strikes the right hand rail just south of the 2nd diamond....the cue ball path into the rail is a little curved but still almost perpendicular..... and then the cue ball reverses direction off that rail and heads back to the kitchen......that isn't low, middle or top right hand English in my evaluation of the video.
Matt B.
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What he said. It's a fair amount of spin, enough to survive hitting the last two rails the wrong way.
pj
chgo
Maybe you mean low right? Left would work against the purpose of bringing the CB back downtable - it would send the CB in the wrong direction off the first rail.
pj
chgo
It is onions to me that you people know little about what thou doth speak of.
It was voodoo.
It was voodoo.
People with home tables should set this shot up and post their videos.......mine would be up by now if I still had a table.
Look at the deflection angle of the cue ball....and the way it does into the side rail.......I don't think you get that with low right English
and the way the cue stays on the rail and then kicks out instead of the glancing quicker bounce the cue ball takes with running English.
So get off you fat asses and go practice the shot until you can accomplish it and then post the video or link.....the time clock starts now......
20:22 mins. How long til someone can accomplish what Corey did, post their video proof and then tell us how the shot was actually played?
Where's all the good players that have home tables or even good players that can do this during league? ......The gauntlet has been thrown
I've just had shoulder surgery 2 weeks ago so that's my get out of jail excuse for not already having attempted this......what's your excuse?
Matt B,
Look at the deflection angle of the cue ball....and the way it does into the side rail.......I don't think you get that with low right English
and the way the cue stays on the rail and then kicks out instead of the glancing quicker bounce the cue ball takes with running English.
So get off you fat asses and go practice the shot until you can accomplish it and then post the video or link.....the time clock starts now......
20:22 mins. How long til someone can accomplish what Corey did, post their video proof and then tell us how the shot was actually played?
Where's all the good players that have home tables or even good players that can do this during league? ......The gauntlet has been thrown
I've just had shoulder surgery 2 weeks ago so that's my get out of jail excuse for not already having attempted this......what's your excuse?
Matt B,
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Nothing but low with power so the draw would not take effect until after it came off the rail to clear the 7. It's the same with a force follow where if you have to cut the ball a little to the left, but you have balls to the right you want to clear before the follow takes effect it will force the CB out to the right past the balls before it goes forward. There is the possibility though that if you do not have the correct angle to put the CB into the rail where you want it you could use a little low left and aim a little to the left of the contact point on the 4. This will cause the CB to contact the 4 coming a little from the left due to the deflection and give you a different angle into the rail....but I think it was just low here.
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