I need help identifying this table please

[scorpio1964]

I got this 9' table, 50X100 playing surface, for 500 and I need to replace the return pockets but dont know what brand it is. The only thing on the table is a brass place that has a script CM on it. No other part numbers or marks anywhere. It has a 1" marble bed, solid wood skirt, wire ball return.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Carolyn

 

[reverend]

I got this 9' table, 50X100 playing surface, for 500 and I need to replace the return pockets but dont know what brand it is. The only thing on the table is a brass place that has a script CM on it. No other part numbers or marks anywhere. It has a 1" marble bed, solid wood skirt, wire ball return.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Carolyn

Looks like a modified Brunswick Gold Crown 3 to me.

 

[RackemBilliards]

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I got this 9' table, 50X100 playing surface, for 500 and I need to replace the return pockets but dont know what brand it is. The only thing on the table is a brass place that has a script CM on it. No other part numbers or marks anywhere. It has a 1" marble bed, solid wood skirt, wire ball return.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Carolyn

The short answer is that Brunswick Gold Crown ball return pockets will PROBABLY fit. The table is clearly inspired by the gold crown but there are many differences. The ball box, the way the corners attatch on the side boards, the slate material(and pocket cutouts), the beam construction and even the ball counters are wrong. It would also have a nameplate on the headrail. The 'CM' most likely refers to an owner of the table at some point, and don't be surprised if you find out it wasn't made in the early
60s.

 

[scorpio1964]

The owner of the pool hall had the CM initials but someone mentioned it could also be a Cue Master as they used marble bed. Can't find out much about Cue Master from back then. We knew it was a knock off but just couldnt find who's knock off. The marble bed really threw us. It plays like a dream. Wonderful table. We used bondo on the seams and it spead so nice. One rail the glue had come off so we reglued that and the rubber is really nice. Was probably replaced at some point and time. I just need to refinish the skirts and ball return and it will look brand new. Thanks again for everyones feed back.
Carolyn

 

[Mr. Bond]

It just hit me....Fischer ....it was Fischer that went on a "marble" bed kick for a while there starting in the 50s...they thought they were going to revolutionize the industry....

 

[OTLB]

well I don't know about that but this marble table set up near perfect


http://i56.tinypic.com/34xi14l.jpg

 

[3kushn]

About 20 years ago when looking to buy a 3C table I was led to a 150+ year old mansion in central Missouri complete with slaves quarters. Climbed to the 3rd or 4th story ballroom and there sat a Collender (pre Brunswich Collender) table sadly in total disrepair. This one would be a real challenge to you Pro Mechanics. The T-rails cushions were the original layered cloth design, veneer falling off, but it had a marble bed. Originally a beautiful ornate table. Marble has been used at least this long.

An old pro told me that there was an issue with moisture and marble beds. Don't know if this is true but makes some sense as marble is less porous than slate, so condensation may sit on top and be absorbed in the cloth.

 

[Crash]

An old pro told me that there was an issue with moisture and marble beds. Don't know if this is true but makes some sense as marble is less porous than slate, so condensation may sit on top and be absorbed in the cloth.

Im not a mechanic ... but I suspect this is correct, unless the bed is heated.

 

[Mr. Bond]

Problem is, marble has freaky thermodynamic properties. If you've ever seen an old-school fudge/candy shop you already know what I mean. A thick slab of marble will stay cool to the touch even in a semi warm room - and if its the least bit humid, moisture will condense on the marble surface. Slate is porous enough to absorb the humidity to much greater extent.

 

[Jim Vondrell]

I don't think thats marble imo. Fischer used a 1 pc marble bed not sure about 3 pc. I've seen slate that looks like that probably chinese. Imo its a import noname knockoff. The tag maybe is just a personalized touch and means nothing. IMO

 

[Mr. Bond]

just to confuse everyone even more -

there was a company in the 60's in Wisconsin that made GC knockoff KITS that you could order and assemble on your own, some with 3pc marble sets.

Campbell was the company