I saw a player cheat........

Maybe

I rack balls said:
Maybe he was getting a no scratches spot.

Maybe the other guy was a cheater too and the old man knew it, so he felt justified.

Bottom line. Staying out of it was the best course since I wasn't very familiar with either guy.

I also agree with several others that said, if it was a friend or family member that got cheated. Then I would know for sure if the other guy was a cheater or not himself. I still would've waited and simply told my friend or family member to pay closer attention, that they had missed a foul earlier.

Ray
 
Bigtruck said:
I was playing some 9 ball with a man for cheap and another match was playing on the next table for $20 a rack I think.

I looked over and the older Man, maybe in his 60's made the 9 ball.The cue ball traveled 2 rails long ways and was heading straight in the corner pocket. His opponent had turned his back and the man knocked the cue ball away to the rail!!!

He may have "gotten away" with it, but I lost all respect for him. Should I have alerted the other player that his opponent had cheated? Or just stay out of it?

I stayed out of, because the player should've been paying attention. I didn't feel good about it though. BAD Karma!!

Ray

i would of done the same thing. i would of not said anything due to the opposite player should of been paying attention and not of taken the shot for granted. but in the same retrospect, if the opposite player was a good friend of mine i would of said something. but what would be the outcome? arguing? fighting? call for a re-rack? tuff call...
 
Anyone I know?

I would've done the same thing Ray as you did. Staying out of other gamblers games is always the best course.

Just to play devils advocate......is it possible that the shooter had a better view of the CB path? Could be it's wasn't going to scatch anyway?
 
Nope

ne14tennis said:
I would've done the same thing Ray as you did. Staying out of other gamblers games is always the best course.

Just to play devils advocate......is it possible that the shooter had a better view of the CB path? Could be it's wasn't going to scatch anyway?

It was directly in my line of sight. The cue ball was gonna split the pocket. The shooter saw this and put a quick tap on the cue ball sending it to the rail. The table was a Diamond ProAm. Perfectly level.

Have a Merry Christmas Steve!

Ray
 
thebigdog said:
I totally agree, the only way I will interject is if I am asked by both players what I saw. Otherwise I stay out of it, unless I got something on it, of course.

I wouldn't interject even if the whole pool room asked me. The two individuals playing 9 ball are grown, if not completely honest, men. If they have any problems, they can work them out on their own.

Even if I had money on the match I wouldn't say anything. For one I never bet too much on anyone but myself. And for another, that is the risk taken when money is bet on the side. I am not saying I am right and you are wrong, but I feel like once the money is up on a side bet, you lose all say. Remember the Pittsburgh vs. San Diego(?) football game a few weeks ago? Pittsburgh clearly scored a touchdown at the end of the game to give them the cover. This touchdown was reversed incorrectly by the referees. The NFL then issued a statement that the touchdown should have been allowed. Didn't change anything for those who bet on Pittsburgh.
 
I agree with Fatboy, you NEVER get involved in other people's action! There is no good outcome from interfering.


Jeremy
 
FAIL, you should have taken a picture of him and posted up here :D

Think you did the right thing, the guy just would have denied it anyway....now you have a good mental note and you know what type of guy he is....and if you have a friend playing him, you can give them the heads up.....and your example is a good lesson for all of us, when the balls are in play, keep your eyes on the table because some folks just don't care about their reputation and will sell their soul for $20....pretty sad....
 
Big Perm said:
FAIL, you should have taken a picture of him and posted up here :D

Think you did the right thing, the guy just would have denied it anyway....now you have a good mental note and you know what type of guy he is....and if you have a friend playing him, you can give them the heads up.....and your example is a good lesson for all of us, when the balls are in play, keep your eyes on the table because some folks just don't care about their reputation and will sell their soul for $20....pretty sad....

I couldn't get my phone out fast enough!! LOL.

FYI - I would still gamble with the guy. If the opponent was paying attention it never would've been allowed. I'm not saying the old man was right, he wasn't. You should pay attention when playing.

Ray
(J/K about the picture)
 
wow, I can't believe the majority here. I'm w/Smokey...and BTW, I'd have turned in Pete Rose, Lyle Alzado, Barry Bonds, or whomever if I'd have witnessed it firsthand. Cheaters will continue to cheat if never caught, and just "staying out of others peoples business" might sound like a good concept, but if the guy wasn't called on it he might end up trying it on the WRONG person in the future (and it could turn out much worse that way).

I played in a golf league with a guy known for cheating that nobody ever called on it (he was a BAD player too). So, one hole I asked him what his score was and he said, "5" which would've tied me off (with the stroke I had to give him on each hole). I asked him if that included the foot wedge he used to get clear of a tree?. He was ticked, but who cares. I told him the kick would cost him a stroke but if he wanted to lie about it I'd play by the rules and make him go back a place the ball where it was, add a stroke, and play the hole out from there - his choice.... He just took the stroke, and everytime he played in my group from then on his scores were much more accurate!!!

Oh, and as for the possibility of a fight....I would ask rather loudly, "You want to fight me because you clearly cheated while your opponent wasn't watching???" "Alright then, let's GO!!". Screw him.
 
I saw this very thing happen, all I did was when he looked around to see if anyone saw it, I made stern eye contact, and softly shook my head at him, you could see the guilt well up in him, lets just say Karma definitly happened he fell apart, and couldn't find his hole with an indian guide. Sad thing was he was the much better player, he didn't need to pull moves to win.
 
i would NOT have interjected. it was the responsibility of the opponent to keep an eye on whats going on. however I would definitely have at least given the cheater the evil eye, and made sure he noticed me staring him down, for the next few minutes so that he at least was aware that someone else did see what happened causing him to freak out about whether or not I would tell his opponent after the match or tell everyone else in the room.
 
It is probably best for you to not get involved, unless you are ready for some consequences.

Confrontations usually get the blood pumping and for me my game usually goes into the tank.

Catching a cheat in the act does require you to at least let them know they were caught. The cheat was getting away with it until you let him know he was caught. That, in itself, is going to effect his game and how he will react the rest of the evening as long as you are there and he suspects you might say something to his opponent.

I've caught cheats in the act while in a tournament. They commit the act, look around to see if anyone is watching and there I am. I just go up to them and whisper, 'either you leave now and never return, or I will announce it to everyone why you are leaving, your choice.' Both times this has happened the Cheat left immediately.
 
trustyrusty said:
wow, I can't believe the majority here. I'm w/Smokey...and BTW, I'd have turned in Pete Rose, Lyle Alzado, Barry Bonds, or whomever if I'd have witnessed it firsthand. Cheaters will continue to cheat if never caught, and just "staying out of others peoples business" might sound like a good concept, but if the guy wasn't called on it he might end up trying it on the WRONG person in the future (and it could turn out much worse that way).

I played in a golf league with a guy known for cheating that nobody ever called on it (he was a BAD player too). So, one hole I asked him what his score was and he said, "5" which would've tied me off (with the stroke I had to give him on each hole). I asked him if that included the foot wedge he used to get clear of a tree?. He was ticked, but who cares. I told him the kick would cost him a stroke but if he wanted to lie about it I'd play by the rules and make him go back a place the ball where it was, add a stroke, and play the hole out from there - his choice.... He just took the stroke, and everytime he played in my group from then on his scores were much more accurate!!!

Oh, and as for the possibility of a fight....I would ask rather loudly, "You want to fight me because you clearly cheated while your opponent wasn't watching???" "Alright then, let's GO!!". Screw him.

Well, the difference here is that the golf cheater was playing against YOU and you saw him do it. In the pool scenario the opponent didn't see it happen.
Golf is a little different too in that in a tournament, you are playing against EVERYBODY in the field, not just one person, so if you catch someone shaving strokes, taking an illegal drop, etc., you are obligated to call his attention to it in order to protect not just yourself, but the entire field as well.

Anyway, I have to agree with Fatboy, ETAL on this one - based on past experience.

Once at a nine-ball tournament there was a novice player playing against a guy who had a tendency to shark.
The novice player makes the 8 and has a pretty easy shot on the nine in the side, when the shark walks over and starts taking balls out of the pockets. The novice guy, although distracted, goes ahead and shoots the nine ball and misses. The other guy promptly makes the nine ball and now the novice player is mad at himself for missing an easy shot.

He racks the balls and came over to where me and a couple of other guys are sitting, saying something like "I can't believe I missed that shot."
I tell him he should not have shot it in the first place, because once the other guy started taking the balls out of the pockets, that is considered concession of the game. But since he went ahead and shot it, then his shot counts.
Well, now the shark has broken and made a ball and is going about his next shot, when the novice player jumps up and walks over to him and claims the previous game - because I told him that his opponent had conceded the game!! Now I'm in the middle of a big argument when I was just trying to educate the novice player for future reference.

So I learned my lesson that night.

Regarding the original scenario - if you knew the guy getting cheated, or someone that knew him, you could tell them to make sure to pay attention while the other guy is shooting (but anyone playing for $20 a rack should know this, right?)
If you had no vested interest in the guy - keep silent - he sounds like an easy mark!
 
I woulda called out the guy in (golf) league if he were playing the hole next to me against another team too though. The only thing good about cheaters in golf is that they have inflated handicaps (stating that they play better than they do), but even though that'd help me in the long run against them, I still can't stand by and let them do it.

As for the "gambling" aspect of it....I don't care. I'll let the cheater keep his "win" (cash) and give the opponent his money outta my pocket just to call the cheater out!! I'll just VERY LOUDLY say, "YOU BETTER WATCH HIM MORE CLOSELY, CUZ HE MIGHT TRY CHEATING AGAIN!".

And, your sharking move (the pulling the balls outta the pocket story). Gotta blame the kid shooting the 9ball for that one; KNOW THE RULES.
 
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Bigtruck said:
I was playing some 9 ball with a man for cheap and another match was playing on the next table for $20 a rack I think.

I looked over and the older Man, maybe in his 60's made the 9 ball.The cue ball traveled 2 rails long ways and was heading straight in the corner pocket. His opponent had turned his back and the man knocked the cue ball away to the rail!!!

He may have "gotten away" with it, but I lost all respect for him. Should I have alerted the other player that his opponent had cheated? Or just stay out of it?

I stayed out of, because the player should've been paying attention. I didn't feel good about it though. BAD Karma!!

Ray
I would think it would be the fault of the other player being non-attentive of the game. It was his fault not looking at the cue ball. The old man just took advantage of the situation. When money is involved it changes the whole scenerio.
 
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