I think I am done with Talisman Tips.

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Cue Crazy said:
The Sumo, I know you mentioned they're too hard, but what about the glazing, wondering how they are in that department? I have some of the samurai layered tips in house that I need to try out, but have not tried the sumos yet.

Thanks Greg
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Gregg

The Sumo does in fact glaze over but I cut small pieces of sandpaper in my pocket during play to just scuff up the tip.
The Sumo holds shape very well and does not mushroom at all but still too hard for my style of play.
The Sumo is the standard tip that is on the Bender cues and my current player cue is still fairly new.

Myron
 
chefjeff said:
Maybe you got the edges wet with water or alcohol? From my experience, that's a no-no for laminated tips.

Jeff Livingston
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It can be a no no for nonlayered also. I just got one in yesterday with what looked like a triangle, and the owner could'nt figure out what was wrong. It looked to me like it was pulling apart from moisture. Looked as if It had been dipped in a glass of water it was so bad off :confused: . Greg
 
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I also have been using Sumo, but several of the cues I have picked up recently have had Morri Med. I had one cue with a Sniper and really liked that tip. If I could find a reasonable source I would purchase some to try again !!
 
alpine9430 said:
Gregg

The Sumo does in fact glaze over but I cut small pieces of sandpaper in my pocket during play to just scuff up the tip.
The Sumo holds shape very well and does not mushroom at all but still too hard for my style of play.
The Sumo is the standard tip that is on the Bender cues and my current player cue is still fairly new.

Myron
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Thanks for the info, That seems to be the common element with hard tips in general, epsecially for people that don't scuff them. I like them myself, but only have a few other people here that do. The only complaint from those seem to be the glazing. With mooris most people that use to like the quicks are now having me install mediums or slows, so there may be some truth to the hardness levels changing. I have even noticed lately, I've been favoring to the shaft that I have the medium on.

Sounds like I should try the sumos out, but maybe just stick to one box at first. Thanks Greg
 
daytonajoe said:
I also have been using Sumo, but several of the cues I have picked up recently have had Morri Med. I had one cue with a Sniper and really liked that tip. If I could find a reasonable source I would purchase some to try again !!
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You know... I'm going to give a thumbs up to Sniper as well. I think if people who already use a layered tip try it out, they may never go to another brand again. IMO.

Fred
 
Cue Crazy said:
It can be a no no for nonlayered also. I just got one in yesterday with what looked like a triangle, and the owner could'nt figure out what was wrong. It looked to me like it was pulling apart from moisture. Looked as if It had been dipped in a glass of water it was so bad off :confused: . Greg
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Sounds like just a bad Triangle tip. Half of my boxes are like that. If they don't pass the bite test, they're sure to look like they're falling apart.

Fred
 
Cornerman said:
Sounds like just a bad Triangle tip. Half of my boxes are like that. If they don't pass the bite test, they're sure to look like they're falling apart.

Fred
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Yes, that's what made me think It was a triangle, because it wanted to pull apart like the bad ones you mentioned. I have 2 boxes that don't get used now, as I don't even like to install them. The color of the tip was like a lepro, but it was somewhat damp feeling, and looked It also, so it could have been a triangle that darkened up. It sure pulled apart in that sponge like way that they are bad about doing. You pull on the tip, and can almost roll It over like a slinky. They certainly are soft, just alittle too much so.

Greg
 
Flex said:
Glad you've had such good luck with the Mooris. I've have more than one delaminate, and the glazing over of the mediums isn't pretty.

Flex
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I never had any laminated tip come apart...as far as glazing over...they all do that laminated or not....now I use my It's George scuffer before every match....
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I would suggest going with the domed Talisman tips. There is less stress on the tip when shaping. I talked to Tony Jones a couple of years ago about some tips that delamited just up from the ferrule. He said that this is usually caused by sheer effect, or sideways pressure on the tip. This is usually caused when breaking and driving the tip hard into the table. Cutting the tip down a couple of layers has seemed to fix this for me when someone uses the tip this way.
I put the Talisman Pro Med. on just about every cue that I build. The only exception is high end cues usually get the Talisman WB. Which is what I have on my cue. The hard WB is the best tip going in my opinion.
Chris
 
For several years I only used Triangle. Then I tried one Le Pro, but didn't like too much -- it didn't have that hard hit I was looking for. So I went back to Triangle.

But recently I bought a new cue, and I could swear also it had a Triangle... but lo & behold, it was indeed a Le Pro. I've now heard from several people (including my cue maker), that the Le Pro's are very inconsistent -- some can be hard, some soft, good, bad, anything... and all in the same box.

A few months I got two Moori soft (medium) off eBay. What I noticed right away was how nicely they hold the chalk and also have that nice "thump" sound that I like.

However, as someone else pointed out here, the Moori's get fairly quickly hard(er), which is okay as long as it doesn't get much harder than it is now... Perhaps I should have gotten the hard Moori to start with.

Though, my next tip will be another Triangle -- I'm just curious to try it out on my new cue.

-- peer
 
I also gave up on Talisman Pros (Hard) after the third one I had delaminated. I don't recall if they were domed or not, but all 3 were installed by professional cue mechanics so I doubt the installation was the issue.

In the end I've moved to Kamui Hard tips at the recommendation of my cue mechanic. I love the feel of these and find they hold up very well, usually lasting me about 6 months. However occasionally I still get slight issues when the topmost layer gets reall small, in that small cavities can form at the edges of the layer, but with the Kamuis the layer has never actually started peeling or falling off (delaminting) like it did with the Talismans.
 
Scottster said:
I have had a second Talisman Hard delaminate. This is in only six weeks.

The one I had previously lasted over two years.

Any tip suggestions?

Was thinking about trying a Sniper tip.
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I gave up on Talisman tips some time ago. They delaminated on me as well & I won't ever purchase or use one again.

I haven't tried Sniper. However I have heard good things about them.

I have personally had good success with the Stratos X-tra hard tip. It holds its shape quite nicely. The last one I had I didn't have to take a shaper or rasp to for a period of around eight months.

I have also experimented with Tsunami hard tips also. They're not bad either.
 
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Scottster said:
I have had a second Talisman Hard delaminate. This is in only six weeks.

The one I had previously lasted over two years.

Any tip suggestions?

Was thinking about trying a Sniper tip.
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I am sure my opinion on the matter would be considered a biased one; however I thought I share my cue tip experience.

After a long hiatus from pool, I came back to the game and all I heard was about how you must have Moori tip. I had always used a LePro up until then. So I got a Med Moori (bout 8+ years ago). Great Tip! It glazed over a bit so I caught myself scuffing and picking a little often.

The tip lasted me maybe 2 months (I fly through tips). So I tried to get another Moori. Well, we all know this story. Nobody had them. Then found I found one and it was gonna cost like $40-$50 to get this thing. If I stuck with this little sucker, I was gonna be spending $600 a year in tips :eek: !!!

So, a guy I know gave me a 2-Pack of Tad Laminated Cue tips (the 2 layer one with red fiber backing in Medium). To this day, the best playing cue tip I ever had!!! They only lasted me about 4-6 weeks, and then the Tad tips would get rock friggin hard. Time to change 'em. This guy kept giving em to me. I kept using them. Well my source dried up (and now, these tips are no longer available).

Here comes Talisman (new at the time). They gave me a 3-Pack. Though the tip played well, all 3 of them, in the middle of competition (gambling or tournament) delaminated on me. The very top of the tip, that little circle of leather would peel off like a banana peel. I would end up with a misshapen tip and would have to stop playing to shape it. Then that little bugger would do it again! I emailed Tony at Talisman and advised him of the issue. He told me at the time that it was a glue issue they had been having and that now it was corrected and he'd send me replacements. Fair enough. I got the new ones and low and behold same damn thing!

After that, I went with Triangles and would have to try out like 3 or 4 of them till I found one that would hold its shape and not mushroom.

One day I was talking to Troy Frank and we were talking about cue tips (like 5 years ago) and he told me to try one of these Tiger Tips (it was a medium). It was a nice tip. No delamination. The tip held its shape well enough.

Since then, I have stuck with the Tiger lineup (trying all of them out here & there). With the Everest having been my long-time favorite. That is until I made a commitment to myself to use the Sniper for 1 year. Well, I am currently playing with a Sniper and it has been only about 6 or 7 months, but this is the tip I will be staying with. Holds its shape. No Mushrooming. No picking. No scuffing. And if you can believe this, I have only gone through 2 of them in 6-7 months!!!! Miracle for me!

It took me some adjustment, but the Sniper is proving to me to be the best laminated cue tip out there!
 
I gave up on Talisman a couple of years ago...too many returning with delam issues. There are many excellent choices as other posters have stated. The Sniper is IMHO the very best of the best. The Tiger M & H are excellent as well as the Everest. Kamui & Molavia are fine choices and of course Moori. None of these tips have had any delam problems either. Try a Sniper if possible...if installed correctly...you'll be extremely happy.
 
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