Ian Anderson's statement about missing players

[sputnik]

Again we don't know all the circumstances. We don't really know what exactly the WPA/APBU was approached with or confronted with before the tournament began.

Apparently Ian Andersen appealed to the missing players and extended an invitation. However Ian Andersen and the WPA cannot force Yen Makebenta to resign.

I suppose that they could put pressure on the APBU to disenfranchise the BSCP but they might have felt that they were not in a position to take sides on the matter.

So should Ian Andersen withdraw the sanction for the tournament? Why should he do that if the BSCP and Raya are both in good standing with the WPA?

The only way to solve this is to get all parties to the table and hash it out. OR for the disgruntled group to do their own thing and force the other parties out of business.

Right now hindsight is all we have. So from here the players have stuck to their principles and proven that they will boycott BSCP events. I think it was pretty clear what the absence of those players did to the moral and financial draw of the tournament. So now it's up to all parties to renegotiate and see if resolution can be found. If not then let the group who is able to produce a better show win.

John

John, 100% with you in your last sentence. When groups get into competition, there will be more opportunity for the players. But there should be a fair playing field, so that eventually, the players and managers of BMPAP and the players of BSCP/Raya will see nothing wrong with joining ANY tournament in the country. After all, everybody stands a chance to win money -- be it a player or a manager.

And it is true that right now, all we have is hindsight IF we choose to. Before the tournament, we had both foresight and still hindsight because a trend was established. We saw the success and failures of local tournaments from the different camps. The effects of a boycott was already seen in tournaments months prior to WTB. Some people had foresight. Until now though, even in hindsight, some people are still in denial.

 

[monski]

I get too confused with the details but I think:

1) YM wont resign since he's too heavily into this already and he has proven to the WPA that RAYA can run a tournament.

2) BMPAP will not back down as well as long as they have the key players which they have a relationship with.

I don't believe in a perfect organization. Mistakes and wrong doing will always happen intentionally or unintentionally.

Options must be presented on how the camps can work together.

Either that or the two camps will just have to do their own thing and let the sponsors decide.

 

[bandido]

Somebody's looking to borrow 20M Pesos (a little over US$400,000) to cover the last episode. Can anybody here spare him 20M?

 

[Mark Griffin]

fact or fiction?

When someone posts something of this magnitude, it better be based on facts. If this is a 'practical joke' - you have not done your cause any good.

if what you are saying is true, then it is a real shame.

All of this infighting only hurts the industry. Yen has an arrangement to do the WTBC for 5 years. The PA has the authority to grant that license.

If others promoters don't agree - don't pull a 'Mackay' and schedule on top of them - support the WT BC and also do your own thing. That makes pool stronger.

No one should take pride on ruining an industry because of some disagreements.

i have stayed out of this argument - but I think a lot of people are not happy about the effects this can have on pool everywhere.

If there is anything I can do, I will -

Mark Griffin
CSI (Cue Sports International, LLC)
BCA Pool League
USA Pool League
NCS (National Championship series)
Diamond Billiards

 

[bandido]

Better ask players if they were paid and that's the best confirmation. The info above is directly from who was approached.

Wasn't the prize money put in escrow? This is politics aside Mark. You may soon understand what the players are fighting for if something goes haywire here. Why should it always be considered "just politics"? Players do have rights to express their discontent and fight for just treatment.

I'm sure you can help bail them out if that's what's needed but then that just proves that our concerns are worth listening to.

NO PAYMENT MADE to local players yet as of 5 minutes ago! NO PAYMENT made to the local referees who officiated at the WTBC!

Verified information as of a few minutes ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[bandido]

When someone posts something of this magnitude, it better be based on facts. If this is a 'practical joke' - you have not done your cause any good.

if what you are saying is true, then it is a real shame.

Verified info.

All of this infighting only hurts the industry. Yen has an arrangement to do the WTBC for 5 years. The PA has the authority to grant that license.

So WPA is at fault too for fully backing this. So many slick talkers and who do you think can spot this for being already immersed in it so much. We have expressd our concerns and they were valid concerns. It is not about politics as we weren't grabbing control of their BSCP. We just wanted fair treatment and respect for the players that they look down at.

If others promoters don't agree - don't pull a 'Mackay' and schedule on top of them - support the WT BC and also do your own thing. That makes pool stronger.

Support WTBC? Support someone's, who have wronged us, event?

No one should take pride on ruining an industry because of some disagreements.

i have stayed out of this argument - but I think a lot of people are not happy about the effects this can have on pool everywhere.

If there is anything I can do, I will -

Mark Griffin
CSI (Cue Sports International, LLC)
BCA Pool League
USA Pool League
NCS (National Championship series)
Diamond Billiards

Take pride in ruining or is what we're doing is trying to keep it from getting ruined?

What were we asking for anyway?
-that FAIR qualifiers be held to determine who will rightfully represent the country in international tournaments. Since whoever are there now that caused that Guinness Qualifier and Qatar 9 fiasco then they should be releived of their posts as they don't serve this country with all fairness. They use their accreditations wrongfully and thus have lost the respect.
-that there shouldn't be unfair advantage of having a Private Event Promoter be an officer of the National Sport Association. He has demonstrated time and again on how he abuses the NSA power for the benefit of his private entity.
-that players be treated with respect and not just as pawns.
-that the Qualifier be held in a neutral venue so they cannot kick-out people because it's their private facility as what happened in their sham Guinness Qualifier where they also changed rules mid-stream
-that laws of the land be adhered to like the requirement that prize money be placed in escrow before the start of the event and that proper permits and licenses be acquired by the promoter?

Are those requests, at all, political in nature?

Don't waste your money, time or energy Mark. You can do a lot more good for pool with those.

 

[gopi-1]

I hate reading people putting in their 2 cents without any digging whatsoever, sounds like they know it all when it comes to pool.

It's been highly publicized and well documented here in this forum why the top Filipino pool players are not into this WTBC, or any Raya/Yen/BCSP related tournaments, and all one has to do is click it...