Idcues on E-Bay, Leonard and David Wale

wow....

Sorry, guys, if my posts earlier have caused any confusion as it relates to this cue. Been out of town a few days and just saw where Dick posted his old pics. My memory was only half wrong. He confirmed this was the cue he had but it had only the one inlay in the prong. Very unusal and neat cue....wild how this thread has a life of its own. Maybe Mr. Runde will be able to shed some light on it.
 
cueaddicts said:
Sorry, guys, if my posts earlier have caused any confusion as it relates to this cue. Been out of town a few days and just saw where Dick posted his old pics. My memory was only half wrong. He confirmed this was the cue he had but it had only the one inlay in the prong. Very unusal and neat cue....wild how this thread has a life of its own. Maybe Mr. Runde will be able to shed some light on it.

You do have a good memory for cues. You in fact helped me track down another cue I was researching at one time, and your post pointed in the right direction.

Well, I did call Bob Runde and he told me he did not recall making a cue with only one point inlayed, nor would he do it. He said on a cue of this design he would inlay the two opposing points in line with the two butt end windows, which is also what Evan mentioned in his e-mail . Evan did examine the cue and determined that the other inlay had been machined out in an effort to straighten it.

We measured up the cue to other early Schons. The diameter at the inlay is a little under 1 mm less than a typical Schon of the era. Since I am not a cue maker, I don't know if this is enough to take out the inlay on the one side. I suppose if it were very shallow.

It is a great looking and unusual cue - it's just missing a couple of inlays - too bad. If I were to keep it, I would have the inlays replaced and try to find an original buttcap for it.

Chris
 
Actually, I was thinking about the same thing that Ted said, that it would indeed be more collectible if it was originally made with only inlaids on one point. :confused: :( :p
 
nipponbilliards said:
Actually, I was thinking about the same thing that Ted said, that it would indeed be more collectible if it was originally made with only inlaids on one point. :confused: :( :p

I was thinking we could call it the infamous "One Eyed Jack" or " Yin, no Yang". Or "Teeter forgot Totter", or maybe just "Left Nut". ;)
 
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I have learned some things here in this thread!

1- is how all dealers know one another and how all could get info,etc.about cues,phone #s

2- don't do deals off ebay no matter what feedbacks they have.

3-( my favorite )if it has a ring above the wrap it's not a full splice (unless they split the ring) unlikely!

4-all the rest is all bullshit in my book

5- not even posting your problems with dealers here will be solved

6-to Bill Loucks, I believe you got screwed "BIGTIME" and I don't believe he will return your money because he knows he'll never be able to sell it again to anyone and he's not about to give up that MONEY. ,IMO

Thanks for this thread and I have learned alot

Steven
 
justabrake said:
3-( my favorite )if it has a ring above the wrap it's not a full splice (unless they split the ring) unlikely!

Thanks for this thread and I have learned alot

Steven

Steven,
I am glad you learned something LOL... I have been offered at least 6 titlist conversions with rings above the wrap, all but one touted the "one piece feel".

Joe (---sometimes I think I am on candid camera
 
Madison Bob

VonRhett said:
Unfortunately, this isn't accurate. Since the cue was "Bought & Sold" OFF of Ebay, there is no Buyer Protection whatsoever from PayPal. In this case, the buyer would have been better off paying with a credit card without using PayPal, as V/MC have great buyer protection, fraud and misrepresentation guarantees. (Even if the issuing bank doesn't, V/MC does).

Ever since PayPal became part of the Ebay family, they don't offer Buyer Protection for non-Ebay goods. They might assist with this, but they won't force the seller to issue a refund, or suck it out of his account.

It's a shame, cause if they had let the Auction run to the end and then paid with PayPal, they'd be guaranteed a refund since their description is not accurate. The seller even described the cue's condition as "Excellent", which no one would agree to.

But PayPal guarantees aside, the Seller is obviously not doing the right thing, based on what we read here. I appreciate the heads-up and will add them to my "No-Buy" list.

If it was the Seller's idea to consumate this deal off of Ebay, and convinced the Buyer to do so though some monetary incentive, Ebay might get involved and help out. Ebay does not like fee avoidance schemes, especially if the buyer was essentially an unwilling participant who now has damages.


I looked at the cue and it looked to be made that way are you sure this was,nt a factory defect and was released this way? if it was it could be they have done you a favor and have sold you a cue thats worth a fortune a one of a kind. you better check in to this and see if it could be possiable that this might have happened. if not then they should stand behind this cue and refund your cash . never buy outside of ebay are you,ll run in to people that will take your cash and run . i seen a guy on ebay that had one bad feed back after 300 are more sales quess what a guy send cash in a letter and the guy never sent him his product . but the guy said he did,nt recieve the cash so who knows really what happened. this guy could say you owed him cash and so you payed him useing your pay pal and that he never sold you any thing thats why you buy thru ebay instead of making deals outside of it with people you really don,t know but have heard there honest. if they did do you wrong i feel for you and hope you come out on top. madison bob
 
madison bob

measure the dam thing if it is smaller in the middle then some one has turned the inlay out. if not and the points are still in line the dam thing was made that way and someone working at shon at the time went to the scrap pile and decided to create this mess 20 years down the road and sent it out to a dealer. the name are logo could have been removed after a refinish some where down the line years later. i don,t no how deep shon put there inlays in but they would had to be pretty shallow to turn out of it during a striaghting turn. and as i said if it was warped that bad and turned striaght it would be alot smaller in the middle .there would be no way to bring it back to size in that area without building it back up with epoxy are finish are something and if they build it that much it would have cracked out by now. so i would say someone got buzzed and decided to let a faulty cue go out for a laugh and now nobody is laughing it,s a shame but if this can be proven this cue could be worth 20 times what anyone has ever payed for it because it is without a doubt a one of a kind shon cue. we all no mistakes happen and if you ask bob runde i bet he,ll say they had a few scrap piles laying around at that time and this could have happened. and if he agrees we all know what could have happened and that the cue would be worth alot since we know he run a tight ship and would not himself let this happen . and if this did happen lets hope the guy did,nt send out any more scraped cues but if he did and you get lucky and buy one its worth a fortune it would be like a lost elvis tape if you know what i mean. madison bob
 
ldcues said:
Hello Chris,

Okay, I have given the phone numbers to my father. (the owner of the cue) He is going to call Runde and Clark and the person the cue was purchased from, via conference call. Then, Bill Loucks (the buyer of the cue) will be informed of the outcome. Although my job as a professional nothing (which happens to pay very well) will hinder me from posting during the week, if I hear anything interesting I'll try to post next Friday night.

This posting stuff kind of gives the trash talking hotheads, who most likely can't really get there, a chance to utter defamatory statements and slander peoples' names as they see fit. And thereby voicing their opinions without any repercussion. I'm sure this one will get it's share. Gentleman, take an example from Mr. F. Agnir, he doesn't jump to conclusions he gathers facts, makes a point and doesn't wander aimlessly placing blame left and right.

Although I have written it a few times, I'm still not sure anybody is aware this was not my cue. I will argue to the end on my fathers' behalf, but the final decision is his. He told me not to write anything on here from the beginning, but the guy started in on my private parts. Even somebody that couldn't get there would have jumped on that! Furthermore, Chris did not buy this cue, Bill Loucks did. Apparently, he will argue until the end as well. (I have the funniest feeling he does much arguing on this forum) But, it comes down to the final outcome being decided by them, regardless of outside opinion.

By the way Chris, the Eddie Laube we originnally bought from you way back when, by way of eBay auction. In your description you said it was pictured in the "Billiard Encyclopedia". Well, you were wrong! That's not it. Was that a mistake? Because I know people make mistakes. Did you know those two cues were not the same? And just to prove what I have been saying about what our business ethics were when we were in the business, "Did we ever cry to the masses about you lying on purpose?" Did we tell everybody you were a scam artist? No, we looked at your feedback and we figured you made a mistake. Now, if you don't want to comment on this, that's fine. But if you try to say it is not true, don't think just because it took place two and a half years ago we don't have the proof. Dick Abbott is not the only person that saves everything, Leonard Wale does too.

Jack Justis still makes the best case in the world!

Regards,
David Wale

So, I realize that this thread is dead and nobody is reading. However, I thought that I should state for the record that I have not heard a thing from David or Leanord Wale and surely have not received any refund. After all that has been written in this forum the situation has not changed one bit. The Wale's are determined not to give a refund on this cue, wonder why that would be????

See You,
Bill Loucks --- (Buyer of the one eyed cue).
 
Hersheybarbilli said:
I have not heard a thing from David or Leanord Wale and surely have not received any refund.
No shock there. I hope you get karmic retribution if nothing else, as you seem to be a stand-up fellow.
 
Guru said:
No shock there. I hope you get karmic retribution if nothing else, as you seem to be a stand-up fellow.

Maybe the hurricane slowed things down. They're in Florida.

You would think it would behoove them to right things since google already picked up this thread. Wow.
 
TATE said:
Maybe the hurricane slowed things down. They're in Florida.

You would think it would behoove them to right things since google already picked up this thread. Wow.
I feel certain that the hurricane that arrived nearly a week after they were supposed to make the next move will be blamed, as will all these posts, and any other shiny object that catches his eye.
 
daytonajoe said:


Yeah that's it! I think it's just as it was made and a rather unique cue, myself, and would not look at it as if it was butchered. I know the owner is trying to be completely honest with perspective buyers but I think he's giving himself the worse of it, the way the ad is written. If I were a collector of cues like this, I'd be happy to have it in my collection!


just more hot air!

Sherm
 
cuesmith said:
Yeah that's it! I think it's just as it was made and a rather unique cue, myself, and would not look at it as if it was butchered. I know the owner is trying to be completely honest with perspective buyers but I think he's giving himself the worse of it, the way the ad is written. If I were a collector of cues like this, I'd be happy to have it in my collection!


just more hot air!

Sherm


It is indeed the same cue, I am the seller. I am tired of looking at it so it will be sold. I tried to be nothing but honest in the listing. Evan Clarke told me the cue had been altered so that is what I said in the listing. The cue plays just fine, is in good shape too. But it is a source of bad feelings for me so it's outta here. Bid it up.

Bill
 
cuesmith said:
Yeah that's it! I think it's just as it was made and a rather unique cue, myself, and would not look at it as if it was butchered. I know the owner is trying to be completely honest with perspective buyers but I think he's giving himself the worse of it, the way the ad is written. If I were a collector of cues like this, I'd be happy to have it in my collection!


just more hot air!

Sherm


Ditto.....my perception is that this is a great, collectible cue and more likely than not, not altered. Out of the thousands and thousands of cues that have come out of that shop, I find it difficult to believe that they could comment that it definitely was not made like this. Just my $0.02.
 
cuesmith said:
I know the owner is trying to be completely honest with perspective buyers but I think he's giving himself the worse of it, the way the ad is written. If I were a collector of cues like this, I'd be happy to have it in my collection!


just more hot air!

Sherm

It's hard to fault the man for being honest.

I guess he knows how it feels to be screwed by an unscrupulous seller.
 
I've done transactions with Bill "Hersheybarbilli" and have to say this is one honest seller. I'd do more transactions with him in future without any hesitation.

Hersheybarbilli said:
It is indeed the same cue, I am the seller. I am tired of looking at it so it will be sold. I tried to be nothing but honest in the listing. Evan Clarke told me the cue had been altered so that is what I said in the listing. The cue plays just fine, is in good shape too. But it is a source of bad feelings for me so it's outta here. Bid it up.

Bill
 
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