The pic angle mean nothing. My point with those 2 pics is that worsted cloth shows ball marks regardless of brand. It's obvious in the pics - the top pic being MSP and the 2nd pic Simonis.
If not Simonis, what next?
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The pic angle mean nothing. My point with those 2 pics is that worsted cloth shows ball marks regardless of brand. It's obvious in the pics - the top pic being MSP and the 2nd pic Simonis.
So, do you have another cloth in mind?...or are you going for that new slate look?
Glen
He obviously missed my reply to his earlier post.
Nothing much to really argue about there and bangers will tear them all up equally so durability is somewhat of a moot point.
I pioneered the Simonis 760 cloth on bar tables in Washington St back in the 80's, so I use to install it on bar tables, and today my first choice is still the Simonis 860HR for bar tables, but if a bar don't want to pay the price for a worsted cloth, then my next choice is Championship Titan
Glen
I pioneered the Simonis 760 cloth on bar tables in Washington St back in the 80's, so I use to install it on bar tables, and today my first choice is still the Simonis 860HR for bar tables, but if a bar don't want to pay the price for a worsted cloth, then my next choice is Championship Titan
Glen
Mercury Ultra on bar tables? Not sure if it's used on them or not, but you say ONLY Titan if non-worsted....so is Titan just more durable or does it play better too? Just wondering.
Mercury Ultra on bar tables? Not sure if it's used on them or not, but you say ONLY Titan if non-worsted....so is Titan just more durable or does it play better too? Just wondering.
Mercury Ultra won't hold up to the Titan. The Titan just plays good, lasts, and as a bar table cloth, like I said, if it's not a worsted wool, then my choice is Titan.
Glen
They have such cloths. Well to an extent. You can get something like 1200 denier sailcloth and it may last forever on a pool table but no one would want to play on it.
My only point in this thread is that Simonis is not the endpoint in pool table cloth construction. They have certainly been around for a long time and they certainly put their name on a lot of events, not necessarily a lot of actual money in those events but cloth is not cheap so that counts for something.
They are the market leader in worsted wool billiard cloth for those two reasons, they have been around forever and they out market everyone.
Not because they are the "best" in the field. I could pretty much guarantee that not 5 out of 10 advanced players wouldn't be able to tell you the brand of worsted wool cloth on any given table with much certainty. They might GUESS Simonis because it's the first name that comes to mind but if you asked them if they were sure they would probably waver.
We have seen this happen with the Milliken. Several room owners we sell to have replaced Simonis with Milliken and reported back that their better players who swore by Simonis have no clue that they aren't playing on Simonis and absolutely love the Milliken.
So I totally agree with you about not wanting a cloth that doesn't "play" right.
I guess my only thought is what is "right" when it comes to how a cloth should play? When the IPT for example decided to use the heavy nap Gorina then everyone switched to that and gushed about it was bringing back real skill into pool because players had to work harder to move the cue ball than they did on Simonis. I am pretty sure that Mike Sigel wanted the slower cloth and of course Deno Andrews was tight with Gorina. The point being that if the IPT had succeeded then it's highly possible that such cloth would be the standard today instead of the faster worsteds.