If Pool Rooms/Bars Opened Monday 5/4/2020 , post Covid 19 would you come if.

[midnightmark]

Do I want to play ? ABSOLUTELY...
I've played EVERYDAY at my pool room for years but At this point no big rush to return. I'LL probably wait a 2-3 weeks to see how I feel...

 

[middleofnowhere]

I don't see how I could play with glasses fogging up due to a mask and rubber gloves don't seem workable either but on the topic of covid 19 I look at it this way.

I think I can beat it if I get only covid 19. I'm not sure I could beat both the flu and covid 19 at the same time. Therefore if I had to get it I'd rather have it now and develop immunity prior to flu season.

I have little confidence in the "experts". The flu vaccine frequently doesn't match the strain of flu that arrives and it is possible whatever vaccine they come up with won't be effective.

I would think twice before saying that. This thing is bad. It attacks the lungs, heart other organs. You get blood clots. You do not want this thing. What is fooling people is the "Boiling Frog syndrome". It is happening slow and as the weeks go by you get used to it. Just another news story.

Almost everyday they like to post the numbers of those they called "Recovered". Their definition of recovered is, "Not dead". A high percent of these people are screwed up possibly permanently and may never be the same again. Many will die prematurely. Plus we are not even mentioning their financial problems even with insurance. Trust me, none of them are happy the got the virus.

Don't let your guard down for a minute. We in the last 24 hours have had the most deaths to date. Plus they have no idea what future effects are for those who are infected either. Some are predicting possible brain damage. While people are not turning into zombies like in the movies this is really really bad, don't be fooled or worse yet, fool yourself.

 

[Black-Balled]

One or two people could be illirgicillergic...

That is low on my worry list.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

No free loading spectators is the greatest idea in the world, I am sick to death of them and their opinions.I would start going to the poolroom again if they were absent.

Well the people who come, hangout, don't even buy a cold carbonate drink contribute zero to pay the bills. Plus in summer cause the A/C bill to increase, too cool the hotter air, the extra body give off.

My friend had a pool room in Flagstaff, Arizona. Home of Northern AZ University, he had a $5.00 cover charge to enter, you got a chip good for $5.00 towards anything from table time, a cold drink, hot dog, or cue repair. He said he got rid of the dead wood, and profits increased.

If Pool Rooms, and Bars with Pool Table reopen I bet people will start coming slow, then forget the word Covid -19.

Americans use to be brave, use to be:

 

[Black-Balled]

Well the people who come, hangout, don't even buy a cold carbonate drink contribute zero to pay the bills. Plus in summer cause the A/C bill to increase, too cool the hotter air, the extra body give off.

My friend had a pool room in Flagstaff, Arizona. Home of Northern AZ University, he had a $5.00 cover charge to enter, you got a chip good for $5.00 towards anything from table time, a cold drink, hot dog, or cue repair. He said he got rid of the dead wood, and profits increased.

If Pool Rooms, and Bars with Pool Table reopen I bet people will start coming slow, then forget the word Covid -19.

Americans use to be brave, use to be:

You are definitely ignorant and possibly dangerous.

 

[TATE]

Americans use to be brave, use to be:

Do you really think unnecessarily exposing yourself to disease is brave? FYI we are getting our brave American asses kicked by Covid 19 because of ignorance.

Brave is protecting yourself, staying strong, and helping the weak.

 

[ChrisSjoblom]

On behalf of society, we are just plain devastated that you feel let down.

Well, as long as you all feel properly chastised I guess I feel a bit better about things. :smile:

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Do you really think unnecessarily exposing yourself to disease is brave? FYI we are getting our brave American asses kicked by Covid 19 because of ignorance.

Brave is protecting yourself, staying strong, and helping the weak.

If you wish to say home it your right, if my local pool room opens, and I feel safe going, it's my right.

Some of our Constitutional Rights are being stomped upon, people who do not stand up will be walk over.

Try getting a copy of the Constitution, reading it, understanding it, you might appreiciate it, very wise men wrote something 200 years ago, that still is the law of our land.

 

[TATE]

If you wish to say home it your right, if my local pool room opens, and I feel safe going, it's my right.

Some of our Constitutional Rights are being stomped upon, people who do not stand up will be walk over.

Try getting a copy of the Constitution, reading it, understanding it, you might appreiciate it, very wise men wrote something 200 years ago, that still is the law of our land.

Of course you can go. Just don't think that you're brave doing so. And don't think it's a smart American thing to do.

If you don't protect yourself, you are unnecessarily exposing the people who are forced to be around you, family, law enforcement, emergency medical, workers, to your infectious American bravery.

 

[TATE]

Most of the responses here have shown good thought. Just remember no matter what you do, protect yourself to the best of your ability. That doesn't mean hiding. It's the only way we're going to get ahead of this. We don't want all the major cities to go like the nightmare we had in New York. It's not a RED and BLUE thing no matter who tries to make it one.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Of course you can go. Just don't think that you're brave doing so. And don't think it's a smart American thing to do.

If you don't protect yourself, you are unnecessarily exposing the people who are forced to be around you, family, law enforcement, emergency medical, workers, to your infectious American bravery.

Well I was going to listen to myself before listing to others. Can go when is unknown, will go is if I feel safe.

It about FREE WILL, and choices.

 

[rexus31]

What I don't understand is why everyone opposed to stay at home orders and social distancing think they are smarter than everyone else. Is there potential the government and media are over dramatizing the situation? Possibly, but what if they aren't? Your rebellious American bravado could land a loved one in the hospital or dead. All of you that think this is some made up. overblown, media hyped flu need to wake up. This shit is real and it is serious. I personally know 3 people that were in ICU. Two recovered with who knows what type of long term damage and the other passed. Two of the three did not have underlying medical conditions including the person who is no longer with us. Some, I suppose, need to see it at their doorstep to believe it. I don't know, maybe the "brave" ones should go about their lives as normal and let Darwinism work it's wonders.

 

[middleofnowhere]

What I don't understand is why everyone opposed to stay at home orders and social distancing think they are smarter than everyone else. Is there potential the government and media are over dramatizing the situation? Possibly, but what if they aren't? Your rebellious American bravado could land a loved one in the hospital or dead. All of you that think this is some made up. overblown, media hyped flu need to wake up. This shit is real and it is serious. I personally know 3 people that were in ICU. Two recovered with who knows what type of long term damage and the other passed. Two of the three did not have underlying medical conditions including the person who is no longer with us. Some, I suppose, need to see it at their doorstep to believe it. I don't know, maybe the "brave" ones should go about their lives as normal and let Darwinism work it's wonders.

I find it strange that the finanical cost doesn't seem to matter to a lot of people. If someone get the virus in what ever degree is going to have a nightmare with insurance, copays, future costs. Insurance not paying for experimental drugs and so on.

Then you have the long term effects. It is possible many will never go back to their jobs again. A lot leave the hospital on oxygen. If they develop blood clots or chronic lung problems as seems to be common, if they have jobs that require anything strenuous or being on their feet for periods of time they many never work at their jobs again. Then of course the lose their insurance and they enter a new nightmare.

Bottom line is, this is not the flu. The flu is not life changing, we have all had the flu.
This is a deadly life changing disease you want to avoid at any cost. I can't imagine the the personal and finanical gamble some are willing to take for essentially nothing.

 

[Geosnooker]

Do you really think unnecessarily exposing yourself to disease is brave? FYI we are getting our brave American asses kicked by Covid 19 because of ignorance.

Brave is protecting yourself, staying strong, and helping the weak.

This what my father said about being a soldier in WW2.

The so called brave Yahoo in your platoon is the guy you want to shoot yourself before he gets everyone else killed.

You need confidence the guy watching your back has your safety in mind as much as his own. Brave is looking out for your platoon mates.

 

[TATE]

What I don't understand is why everyone opposed to stay at home orders and social distancing think they are smarter than everyone else. Is there potential the government and media are over dramatizing the situation? Possibly, but what if they aren't? Your rebellious American bravado could land a loved one in the hospital or dead. All of you that think this is some made up. overblown, media hyped flu need to wake up. This shit is real and it is serious. I personally know 3 people that were in ICU. Two recovered with who knows what type of long term damage and the other passed. Two of the three did not have underlying medical conditions including the person who is no longer with us. Some, I suppose, need to see it at their doorstep to believe it. I don't know, maybe the "brave" ones should go about their lives as normal and let Darwinism work it's wonders.

Rex, I am glad someone agrees with me and feels strongly about it. I still think we can go about our lives somewhat as long as we use proper protection.

The whole media hype thing went out the window when New York was mowed down like a field of weeds and the refrigerator trucks packed with bodies pulled up. 88% of all people on ventilators died in New York. That is hard to comprehend. Our incredible medical science was helpless. Make no mistake, Covid 19 is Shane with his A game and we are APA 2's.

I can't believe people are still saying it's media hype. It's sheer propaganda and a real slap in the face to those who lost loved ones. Covid 19 has kicked our asses because of our lack of experience and not knowing what we should be doing.

It's not our government's fault. It's our own fault. We, the citizens, don't know how to react in the face of a pandemic.

We will know next time. We are flattening the infection curve but not the ignorance curve.

 

[Toxictom]

I would be there on the day it reopens. But if masks, gloves, disinfectant, etc are required I won't stay. This whole thing is totally overblown, and everyone just goes along with the government and the media like a flock of sheep without critically looking at the facts. I've lost a lot of respect for our society in general through this.

Don’t just look at the media you usually do. Take time to look at media from around the world. The measures governments are taking all over the world are alike. Isolate to prevent the spread and try to quarantine the infected. If you think anywhere in the US is locked down you’re not paying attention to countries with much stricter mandates. If you think the US is doing a fantastic job and it’ll just go away you’re not critically looking at the facts of the severity or pathology of this curse.
If you’re young don’t worry about it and go hang out in bars and pool halls for the next 30-40 years like a whole bunch of people on here have. You’ll probably survive. When the next pandemic comes and they say it affects those with health conditions you might have a different take on things.

 

[TATE]

I find it strange that the finanical cost doesn't seem to matter to a lot of people. If someone get the virus in what ever degree is going to have a nightmare with insurance, copays, future costs. Insurance not paying for experimental drugs and so on.

Then you have the long term effects. It is possible many will never go back to their jobs again. A lot leave the hospital on oxygen. If they develop blood clots or chronic lung problems as seems to be common, if they have jobs that require anything strenuous or being on their feet for periods of time they many never work at their jobs again. Then of course the lose their insurance and they enter a new nightmare.

Bottom line is, this is not the flu. The flu is not life changing, we have all had the flu.
This is a deadly life changing disease you want to avoid at any cost. I can't imagine the the personal and finanical gamble some are willing to take for essentially nothing.

The financial cost absolutely matters. The thing is we can't make that up unless we survive. We have to live to work another day. We need to be careful to buy time for medical advances. The thing that's getting me is not the deaths, it's the years of life lost by people 30, 40, 50 years old, much of which didn't have to happen. You can't hide from a virus but you can do your best to protect yourself and others around you. There is quite a bit of government money, unemployment, grants, PPP, to tide us over. Locally we can now get tested free, on demand, for at-risk groups. I think this is coming to all of us soon.

I'm not the kind of person to jump on a cause or a religious or political angle. I'm not usually a fanatic. But in this situation I feel absolutely compelled to speak up. This is life or death. Get medical grade masks, figure out how to lower your risk and protect yourself and your family and co-workers, and go about life as we no longer know it.

 

[TATE]

I went to a podiatrist yesterday. A very old, crippled man was in the office with his service dog. He was dirty and uncared for. He had a filthy dust mask on. He asked the receptionist if he could use her office phone. She reluctantly agreed and quickly reached for he Purell. He had locked his keys in his truck (again) and needed a ride. He called two people and was turned down. I asked him if he had AAA, he said yes, but couldn't afford the $90 they charged.

His dog was filthy, a little black poodle on the end of a 1" thick rope. That thing was two feet of a dog but she could jump up to your face like she was on a springboard. I offered to drive him home. He had lost his feet to diabetes. He had a rickety cheap walker with a laundry basket for the dog.

I loaded him in the car. Even with the mask on, I had to crack the windows. Turns out his name was Dick and he was 89, a charming helpless old guy, a Korean War veteran. I really didn't want to be sitting next to a nursing home resident and his dog under these current circumstances. We both kept our masks on. I drove him back to his place about 5 miles away. We got his keys. I brought him back and gave him a handful of fresh masks.

I don't want to get Covid 19, but I'm not going to let that stop me from being myself. If I go out, that's how I want to go out.

 

[middleofnowhere]

The financial cost absolutely matters. The thing is we can't make that up unless we survive. We have to live to work another day. We need to be careful to buy time for medical advances. The thing that's getting me is not the deaths, it's the years of life lost by people 30, 40, 50 years old, much of which didn't have to happen. You can't hide from a virus but you can do your best to protect yourself and others around you. There is quite a bit of government money, unemployment, grants, PPP, to tide us over. Locally we can now get tested free, on demand, for at-risk groups. I think this is coming to all of us soon.

I'm not the kind of person to jump on a cause or a religious or political angle. I'm not usually a fanatic. But in this situation I feel absolutely compelled to speak up. This is life or death. Get medical grade masks, figure out how to lower your risk and protect yourself and your family and co-workers, and go about life as we no longer know it.

I want to be sure you understood what I meant about financial cost. I am referring to those who get the virus. The news likes to show the success stories as they leave the hospitals to cheers. The worse may still be to come in the form of as we said financial cost or even ruin.

But it does not stop there. Life will have changed and I can see many as their lives spiral out of control and personal pressures increase. Look for alcoholism, drugs, divorce and in many cases suicide. In most cases this is nobodies fault, just bad luckof being one to get the virus. Why would anyone in their right mind want to throw the odds in the favor of the virus.

Who in their right mind would take this kind of life changing risk for absolutely nothing. We all take risks everyday, be it driving a car, flying on a plane, the job we choose and so on. In fact life is risk and reward we all know that, no one wants to be an agoraphobic.
But to take unnecessary risks as well as putting others we are suppose to care at risk makes no sense. I think I have tried to make the same point about ten different ways on this forum lately so I guess enough said. Sadly people are going to be who they are and in my 71 years of experience will usually disappoint.

 

[TATE]

I want to be sure you understood what I meant about financial cost. I am referring to those who get the virus. The news likes to show the success stories as they leave the hospitals to cheers. The worse may still be to come in the form of as we said financial cost or even ruin.

But it does not stop there. Life will have changed and I can see many as their lives spiral out of control and personal pressures increase. Look for alcoholism, drugs, divorce and in many cases suicide. In most cases this is nobodies fault, just bad luckof being one to get the virus. Why would anyone in their right mind want to throw the odds in the favor of the virus.

Who in their right mind would take this kind of life changing risk for absolutely nothing. We all take risks everyday, be it driving a car, flying on a plane, the job we choose and so on. In fact life is risk and reward we all know that, no one wants to be an agoraphobic.
But to take unnecessary risks as well as putting others we are suppose to care at risk makes no sense. I think I have tried to make the same point about ten different ways on this forum lately so I guess enough said. Sadly people are going to be who they are and in my 71 years of experience will usually disappoint.

I get it now. Yes, I totally agree with you, thanks for clarifying. The key word is highlighted above. I hope there is some relief for those with massive hospital bills. There was supposed to be money for hospitals in the last relief package but I don't know the details.