If you are undercutting the OB, you are not concentrating!!

Two ways are just safeties with some intellectual slop. Should be one or the other but it does address all the issues of 'rock and a hard place'.
I see a two way shot as leaving yourself a shot on the next ball while leaving the opponent no shot if you mess. You intend to make the ball you are trying to pocket. Not the same thing as "missing on the pro side".
 
I see a two way shot as leaving yourself a shot on the next ball while leaving the opponent no shot if you mess. You intend to make the ball you are trying to pocket. Not the same thing as "missing on the pro side".
I've heard veteran pros mention the missing on the pro side rationale. Never bought it. Granted these guys develop habits that keep you alive 10, 20 hours in but they're also talking about 2 foot cuts to pool pockets that mortals should not miss either. Even from across the table if you can't hit it good for 2 feet, play an actual safe.
 
I've heard veteran pros mention the missing on the pro side rationale. Never bought it. Granted these guys develop habits that keep you alive 10, 20 hours in but they're also talking about 2 foot cuts to pool pockets that mortals should not miss either. Even from across the table if you can't hit it good for 2 feet, play an actual safe.
Why fully commit to a safe when you have a tough, but very makeable shot? A two way shot gives yourself a good opportunity to stay at the table without the risk of selling out.
 
Not sure exactly what the op was saying but regarding the "pro cut" I heard Bobby Hunter doing commentary once and the other commentator mentioned missing on the "pro side" of the pocket. Bobby disagreed because you are aiming to miss the ball. Aim to make the ball or play safe. One or the other.
As others have said, "missing on the pro side" doesn't mean aim to miss - it means aim to cheat the pocket to that side, so if you miss you miss on that ("pro") side.

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Pro side, give them dirty balls and worn cloth. A tight diamond table will laugh in your face.
I always thought that term was silly.

" If you miss, miss on this side"
what a terrible picture for your brain
 
Why fully commit to a safe when you have a tough, but very makeable shot? A two way shot gives yourself a good opportunity to stay at the table without the risk of selling out.
The shot occupies a zone that you gotta hit it bad enough to miss safe but if you get too close to the pocket you can easily rattle the jaws in your opponents favor. That's not very good insurance. Either play it to miss or play it to go.
 
I've never subscribed to the idea that you should try to miss on purpose on a shot you want to make, and I never will. Shoot to the thin side of the pocket, sure, but try to miss, on the odd chance you could make it...NO, hell no, never!

I think some of the reason why a good number of older pool players get worse as they age, before their eyes go or other legitimate problems occur, is thinking like this. "Cinching" shots by shooting a speed that will give you a hard next shot (to ensure the make), shooting to miss, playing too many safeties, playing weak safeties.. You can be as smart as you want, but you have to make the shots. As Efren once said to Strickland after Earl lost and whined about luck, "You don't make the shots, how can you win?".

Look, this game is about winning. When playing weak players they will give the victory to you. Playing good players you have to grab the victory by the throat yourself. You can't fiddle around like this, or you'll either stay an APA 5 forever or become one by going backwards.

Rant end.


When I hear somebody in the booth talk about missing on the pro side it is like fingernails on a chalk board to me! First you have that point in between pocketing the ball and hitting the rail and going into the safe area. There is this conversation going on in your brain rather you hear it or not. "I am OK in this area, gold in this one, but whatever I do I can't hit this point in between the two areas wrong!" All of a sudden that point is about two inches wide and covered with hair!

When I am going over the basic checks of a table before playing one thing is checking just how forgiving the rails are to let me hit a little early and slide into a pocket. This makes a pocket play bigger plus it moves the center a little bit. When I walk around the table and look at the reverse angle this is what I am looking at. Where can the object ball hit and still fall in the pocket? If I don't like that picture I'll look at the safety mostly focusing on double hits or other cue ball issues. I am more worried about cue ball position with this safety, I am hitting the object ball with a short simple shot to try to get on the rail near the center diamond or get behind a ball. The cue ball may have to do considerable traveling to take care of the other half of the safety so it's path is where the focus is.

I am either aiming at the pocket and forgetting about the point or I am aiming at the rail and forgetting about the point. Luck being involved to miss the point is no part of my plan!

Hu
 

The original post is titled: If you are undercutting the OB, you are not concentrating!! I would like to add to the title...you are not concentrating 'correctly'.​

 
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