If you like numbers!!!!

A thousand billion ... ain't it tragic there aren't any trillionaires yet?

But I agree that Gates can't claim to have done a damned thing for pool, and moreso that all that boring crap he does is just to relieve his bad conscience for all the stealing and hoarding he's done ... and to cut his tax bill.:p
 
Travis Bickle said:
A thousand billion ... ain't it tragic there aren't any trillionaires yet?

But I agree that Gates can't claim to have done a damned thing for pool, Neither has KT- at least not yet. The first match was just a pretext so that M.S would be King of the Hill. The next invitation tourny is a pretext to seed his chosen players! and moreso that all that boring crap he does is just to relieve his bad conscience for all the stealing and hoarding he's done ... and to cut his tax bill.:p
At least he has a consience! :p

Just like everyone on here I am hoping that the IPT will succeed, but when you look at the facts, there is good reason to adopt a 'wait and see' policy and see what happens.
If you listen to the new IPT multi-poster infomercial thats going on right now on the AZ forum, one would think that KT is JC and its the second coming!
Its amazing how people are willing to be led by the nose and accept EVERYTHING a person says when they think they can make some money.
KT knows his market, thats for sure. :)

Gabber.
 
jay helfert said:
No one has that much wealth on the planet. Bill Gates may have 50,000 million dollars. That's it.
A milion million would make one worth 1000 billion dollars.
This is just math, not rocket science.

I think you missed my point Jay, the "definition" of a billionaire in the UK is somebody that has a Million Million, not a thousand million as in the USA. You're right its not rocket science, but you still missed it lol! ;-)


Noun: billion bilyun [N. Amer], bileeun [Brit]

1. [Brit] The number that is represented as a one followed by 12 zeros; in the United Kingdom the usage followed in the United States is frequently seen
- one million million [Brit], 1000000000000 [Brit]
 
I really don't care how much Bill Gates or Kevin Trudeau has. In general, I think that making it profitable for the players may keep them from hitting the road to hustle for a living. Getting hooked up in the seedier side of the game is what is keeping the game of pool from going really mainstream, and the pros almost have to do that to make a living. The hustling, drugs, excessive abuse of alcohol, etc. give the game a bad name. If you clean that up, which may happen to some degree, it may become more accepted.

If Mr. Trudeau does not keep his end of the bargain, it will be a larger black eye to the game than the success he may bring if he keeps his word. It would be another instance of a huge hustle played on the entire pool playing community.

Screw me once, shame on you; screw me twice, shame on me.
 
Gabber said:
Where the Money Goes


...
$50 million to an international group called the Alliance for the Prevention of Cervical Cancer.
...


Gabber

He could have saved himself a load of money here. All he needed was US$29.95 for Kevin's book! It's got the cure to cancer in it!!!
 
jay helfert said:
There are many very wealthy people who are not on that list or any list.
Their wealth is in privately held assets and they choose not to reveal it.

Andy Beal is a famous Texas banker who played in the biggest poker games ever held anywhere, where millions were won and lost each day. He IS a billionaire and you won't find his name on any list.

Yeah- I said to hell with that list. I only reveal my wealth to poker players also.
 
If Anything Will Screw Up The IPT

If the IPT goes South ,it will be the pool players that are not good enough to make the tour and some of the promoters and orgs. trying to undermine it. Like someone on here already said. Most pool players have a ton of skeltons in there own closet. Me included. Give it a rest and wait and see what happens. Johnnyt
 
Gabber said:
At least he has a consience! :p

Just like everyone on here I am hoping that the IPT will succeed, but when you look at the facts, there is good reason to adopt a 'wait and see' policy and see what happens.
If you listen to the new IPT multi-poster infomercial thats going on right now on the AZ forum, one would think that KT is JC and its the second coming!
Its amazing how people are willing to be led by the nose and accept EVERYTHING a person says when they think they can make some money.
KT knows his market, thats for sure. :)

Gabber.

As opposed to the multi-poster inquistion (and I mean that in the most heinous, character-assasination, death-to-the-heretics way) that is going on right along side it? Everyone is in wait and see mode because there is nothing else at this point.

Discussing it is just fun. It's always amazing to me how people are willing to be led by the nose and accept that a person is BAD because they read something negative that someone else wrote about that person.

Well, JC was considered a heretic as well by his contemporaries and I am sure that there were plenty of ordinary folks who blew him off because of his views. Look at the power his so-called followers have now - some of them, I am sure are right at the forefront of condemning KT. What a funny cirlce life is.

John
 
No no no!

onepocketchump said:
As opposed to the multi-poster inquistion (and I mean that in the most heinous, character-assasination, death-to-the-heretics way) that is going on right along side it? Come on OneP, the pro KTers outnumber the rest by 10/1. The pro KTers base their assumptions on hope not on fact. Everyone is in wait and see mode because there is nothing else at this point.If it were only so! :)

Discussing it is just fun.Agreed. I never take anything personal. Nobody should, we are just chewing the fat. It's always amazing to me how people are willing to be led by the nose and accept that a person is BAD because they read something negative that someone else wrote about that person. Again, come on OneP, thats not true in this case. Purely based on KT,s past and RECENT record, there is every reason to be cautious. [ ever seen The Sting :p ] I would believe him more if he started telling the truth.
For instance, I dont think a BILLIONARE would refuse to talk or work with the present world pool orginisations [ however incompetent they may be] on the grounds that that it would cost him a measely $150,000! There must be another reason.
He has already walked into a fall because of Ronnie's decision to miss the Invitational! According to the rules [ are there any] Ronnie will lose his spot, because attendance at the Invitational is mandatory.
What if Ronnie doesnt lose his spot, do you think any of the players will complain? He is a huge asset for the IPT because snooker fans will have also take an interest in the IPT and thats a big market. It might even make British tv take notice!


Well, JC was considered a heretic as well by his contemporaries and I am sure that there were plenty of ordinary folks who blew him off because of his views. Look at the power his so-called followers have now - some of them, I am sure are right at the forefront of condemning KT. What a funny cirlce life is.

John

Most people on this board would be happy just to see more pool on tv. Any pool on tv would be greatly appreciated! :) Thats really all they want. Whether it be the US Open, Derby City, WPA World Champs, etc, it doesnt make any difference.
TV time is what its all about, and so far, KT hasnt delivered. You must admit, there has been very little publicity- % 99.999 of Americans probably havent heard of the IPT or what it is doing.

I would just like to see some good pool on tv and I dont care if they are playing for $40,000 or $44,000,000!
A pro player always gives %100 and you cant do any more than that- no matter how much money you are playing for.

Dont blame the sceptics for being sceptical.

Gabber :)............do a google on KT and let me know if you find something positive about the guy that wasnt written by KT himself. Cheers. :rolleyes:
 
TheOne said:
Well I said he said ;-)

The point is he's not on the billionaires list, I'm just wondering who said he was a Billionaire? BTW to be a Billionaire in the UK you have to have a Million Million, not a mere Thousand Million!! :D

Living in Ameica I guess I just assumed that everyone used the same terminology as us....lol. I found this site that has the two major systems (American and British).

Leave it to the Brits to say you have to double the magnitude of the number to go from a million to a billion...lol. For a math/science geek this page is pretty interesting: http://www.onlineconversion.com/large_numbers.htm
 
zeeder said:
Living in Ameica I guess I just assumed that everyone used the same terminology as us....lol. I found this site that has the two major systems (American and British).

Leave it to the Brits to say you have to double the magnitude of the number to go from a million to a billion...lol. For a math/science geek this page is pretty interesting: http://www.onlineconversion.com/large_numbers.htm


"The American system is based on the old French system, though the French recently switched to the British system. The German system is exactly the same as the British system."

Geez you Americans, you should get out more!!! :D

LOL, even the French (THE FRENCH!!!) converted, and they hate us all most as much as we hate them! Looking at the chart the British system of course makes perfect sense. A Million is a thousand x a thousand (thousand squared) so of course it makes sense that a trillion is a million x million, why change the system, no wonder even the French saw sense hehe!
 
couple of things

:confused: There are a couple of things I'm seeing here that have me bewildered and saddened. First off, there are people out there just ripping the heads off of others because they are happy about what KT is doing with the IPT. I can tell you that in researching KT it's pretty obvious what he's trying to do.

The first thing he's trying to do is give himself a venue that gives him total control on advertising of his book and website. He needs to do this because the FDA is trying to limit his television advertising. He is friends with people in the pool industry and realized that there is a total lack of exploitation. Don't get me wrong I don't mean negative exploitation I mean positive exploitation. There are no popular sports out there that don't have advertising that is outside the scope of the sport. When's the lsat time you watched pool on espn with an advertsisment for toothpaste?

KT realizes that there IS a market out there for that type of adverstising and is probably surprised that there hasn't been an effort to previously capitalize on it. His primary goal is still probably to have a controllable venue for HIS advertising though.

Now the probable benefit to pool and the likely reason for the negativity to KT's approach. First this is only good for the pool world. Yes, it is eight ball, a game pretty much despised by serious pool players, though not a terrible game. The reason for this is pretty plain if you think about it. The majority of people that are NOT in the pool world associate pool/eightball as the same thing. Hell, most people don't even know that eightball is called eightball and just call it pool. IT is THIS crowd that KT is attempting to market to. This is good. It will bring a popularity and a fame to professional pool that has never been there.

The negativity to the approach is also understandable. IT's eightball for crying out loud, they have to change the rules for A- caliber players and above just to make it half way enjoyable, but I don't think that is the main reason for discontinuity between players for and against it. I think it comes down to the establishment. The professional pool establishment is not happy about the possibility of losing their power in regards professional pool. I don't personally see this as being a great liklihood, but who am I?

This power base and type of corruption is exactly what KT fights against, that's what his book is all about. The unwillingness of the FDA and drug companies to give up their profits or power even at the risk to the health of a LOT of people. Yes, he made a buttload of money doing it. So what. I can't believe that someone would use Bill Gates as a model of pilanthropy. What a JOKE. More like a good tax write off.

Anyways, as many people have said, It's time to just wait and see. I wouldn't write off KT though, as a pool player, that's where I'd put my money. Even if there has been someone with the kind of money KT has that has attempted to bolster pro pool, there hasn't been anyone with as well an established marketing ability.

P.S. To anyone who wants to accuse ME of being a KT kiss ass, screw off, I'm just being a realist. IPT ain't going anywhere atleast for the next two years and more than likely it'll be a good thing for the pool community whether it succeeds or not.
 
TheOne said:
"The American system is based on the old French system, though the French recently switched to the British system. The German system is exactly the same as the British system."

Geez you Americans, you should get out more!!! :D

LOL, even the French (THE FRENCH!!!) converted, and they hate us all most as much as we hate them! Looking at the chart the British system of course makes perfect sense. A Million is a thousand x a thousand (thousand squared) so of course it makes sense that a trillion is a million x million, why change the system, no wonder even the French saw sense hehe!

Actually, the British system gives names to powers of a million (every six orders of magnitude or 10^6), with the exception of the milliard (our billion) and the American system gives names to powers of a thousand (every three orders of magnitude or 10^3).

That being said, the British system does make more mathematical sense because a billion is million^2, trillion is million^3, quadrillion is million^4, etc. The only cumbersome thing is then you have such numbers as a thousand billion and a thousand million and so on and so forth.
 
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Good post Jaden. KT is a man who can probably sell just about anything; so if he needs to piggy back on pool to get his message out there, I say go for it, ride us pool players like the fat lazy hogs we are... just make sure to drop lots of scraps for us.
 
Okay ...

zeeder said:
Actually, the British system gives names to powers of a million (every six orders of magnitude or 10^6), with the exception of the milliard (our billion) and the American system gives names to powers of a thousand (every three orders of magnitude or 10^3).

That being said, the British system does make more mathematical sense because a billion is million^2, trillion is million^3, quadrillion is million^4, etc. The only cumbersome thing is then you have such numbers as a thousand billion and a thousand million and so on and so forth.

Now, smarty pants, without looking it up ... don't cheat now ...
How many zeros are in a zillion?
 
1pc

This power base and type of corruption is exactly what KT fights against, that's what his book is all about. The unwillingness of the FDA and drug companies to give up their profits or power even at the risk to the health of a LOT of people. Yes, he made a buttload of money doing it. So what. I can't believe that someone would use Bill Gates as a model of pilanthropy. What a JOKE. More like a good tax write off.




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1PC, ....am i clear to you :cool: ............?????????????????
 
Snapshot9 said:
Now, smarty pants, without looking it up ... don't cheat now ...
How many zeros are in a zillion?

A zillion is a made up word and not actually a number. But it means unimaginably large number!
 
zeeder said:
A zillion is a made up word and not actually a number. But it means unimaginably large number!
It is defined as a "1", followed by a zillion zeroes. QED.
 
Cory in DC said:
It is defined as a "1", followed by a zillion zeroes. QED.

That brings up a good point. The largest number with a name is a googleplex which is a 10^google (google=10^100). That's a lot of zeros!
 
TheOne said:
"The American system is based on the old French system, though the French recently switched to the British system. The German system is exactly the same as the British system."

Geez you Americans, you should get out more!!! :D

LOL, even the French (THE FRENCH!!!) converted, and they hate us all most as much as we hate them! Looking at the chart the British system of course makes perfect sense. A Million is a thousand x a thousand (thousand squared) so of course it makes sense that a trillion is a million x million, why change the system, no wonder even the French saw sense hehe!
Actually, either system is substantial when used in a word-based sense. To say that the British way is better than the American way would be like saying that the British monetary system, i.e.; shillings, pounds, etc., is superior to the American system of dimes, quarters, dollars. The benifit to both societies is encompassed in culture. You fail to mention that in mathematics, physics, astrophysics, etc., exponential notation (6.4 X 10^6, for example) is used, which renders your argument moot.

BTW, we Americans do get out quite a bit. Have you checked your backyard lately? :D
 

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