iba7467 said:
I specifically said Karen Corr. No one else was mentioned for this bet. I happen to like her game in tournament play the most.
If you were to rate the top 100 players in the world.....
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I specifically said Karen Corr. No one else was mentioned for this bet. I happen to like her game in tournament play the most.
iba7467 said:
Kelly can play with these guys. But one Kelly Fisher, who is a world beater, against 100/200 males who are also world beaters is not good odds.
I like your idea of starting even and having a set spot/bet adjustment. Seems pretty fair to me. We may have to try that against some of the folks on your list at some point down the road.
I am sure that there are some names on your list that Kelly can beat even. And no I am not going to name them, nor am I going to post $20,000 to prove it. I just feel that even over the long run Kelly would prove to be the better player and this is based on my own observations of these players and their accomplishments/results in the past 20 years. I might be wrong but there is no solution on the horizon for my opinion to be tested in tournament play and I do not have the time or the money to test my opinion in heads-up matches.
But if I did have the money then I am certain that Kelly's play would get better and better with each tough match she played. We always talk about seasoning and never give the women credit that they might improve with seasoning.
Can she catch up to Johnny Archer? Probably not, but possibly. You take a guy that's been going full out against other world beaters since he was 16 and expect someone who hasn't had that "been beat on by everyone everywhere" experience to be as good? No chance.
But shot for shot, Kelly Fisher is as good as Johnny Archer. There is no shot that he can make that she can't. None. Does he perform better in clutch situations? You bet he does, because he has been doing it longer against tougher opponents. Would Kelly develop that ability to perform as well as Johnny given the same experience? Possibly, likely in my opinion because she already has the drive, knows how to play under the lights, been in the spotlight. But she doesn't have that same level of street experience in pool games that Johnny and most of the male pros have.
Fine, I agree then that this is what keeps her out of the top 100 players alive.
I don't however agree that she has to stay there. And I guess that this is where we have to agree to disagree. I have faith that players like Kelly, Allison, Karen, Jasmin, Xiao Ting Pan, and others can get even better than they are now.
If we get a chance though I will bet something using your spot/bet arrangement. I am sure I will be in Valley Forge next year - maybe there if things work out. Again though I am not speaking for any female player. If they want to play it's totally up to them. It would just be fun to see how it plays out.
crawfish said:
I don't know you. Jeremy has that game because I going on my gut feeling that he isn't half as good as he thinks he is.
You can introduce yourself to Kelly, her phone number hangs in every pool room in Charlotte. I will back her in any game she wants to arrange with you.
crawfish said:
I am sure they will. ;-) Do I just ask them how "Crawfish" plays or do you have a real name? I don't mind arranging a date but am not into blind dates.
I am sure that Kelly can get all the info she needs to decide how to match up should she want to. Like I said, her number is publicly posted in all the Charlotte pool rooms. Just give them a call and someone will get you her number.
If she needs or wants my backing in a game she feels like playing she has it.
crawfish said:
I did. If you ever want to gamble HORSE with Kelly against Johnny then you have got even action. Kelly Fisher can make any shot that Johnny Archer (or any other top pro) can. However, please read the whole statement so it's not out of context.
EDIT: To clarify, I am not talking about trick shots or gimmick shots or wild stroke shots. Although, if shown those shots I am sure with not much practice she could do them as well. But any normal, comes up in a game - shot on the table, that any male top pro can do Kelly can do it as well.
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Are not able to read, or are you just stupid? I never said I was a world beater, or that I could beat Kelly Fisher! I only stated that I could win money on the WPBA. There are players rated in the top 30 that are from FL that wouldn't gamble with me, so I might not be as much of a mark as you think!JB Cases said:
Also I never said I would go anywhere to gamble. I WORK for a living, and spend the rest of my time with my soon to be 3 yr old daughter, so I am not traveling anywhere. But whenever you feel like coming down here you'll get action! I play in alot of the regional amateur tours because they are one day events, and you are welcome to show up! Also I will definately be at the Viking event in Cape Coral on Dec 6-7, because I like the tour and Diamonds is probably the nicest room in FL.
So either make a game that might get played or shut up and get of my balls cause you don't know me!
Jeremy
JB Cases said:
Let's clarify this a little just so everyone knows which way you are flip-flopping this afternoon. Brian would be stealing from Kelly if they played even.
corvette1340 said:
Absolutely correct. Brian would be stealing if they played even. Not even close. You got it. Brian is the much better player, always was, always will be. Now if he finds a backer with some heart who wants to GAMBLE and not steal then we can put them in the box and see who comes out ahead. Any takers? What weight does Kelly Fisher need so that it's even something like a close game? You don't have to answer Vette but thanks for clarifying that Brian is completely out of Kelly's league.
JB Cases said:
you're welcome. Also, I would like to play Efren. Although I think that I can play with him and all the other champions for that matter, I have no desire to play him even. I have stated many times that I can shoot with the best but I don't really want to unless somebody gives me weight. I guess I don't REALLY think that I can compete by evidence of my unwillingness to play even, but oh well. Are there any backers out there that want to give up enough weight to make it a fair game? Let me know.
Here's an idea..........
Since Kelly isn't going to play Brian even and Brian isn't giving up what John wants Kelly to get, how about Vette and JB Cases make a game? Now THAT, I would like to see. I have no idea how either one plays, but the negotiations could be excellent viewing. John seems very convincing in his arguments and Vette doesn't seem like the type to shrink up when confronted. Maybe a TAR match could be set up. I'll be the first to make a wager. Once they come up with what they feel is a fair game, I'll take Vette for $50. Would be fun to sweat.
Since Kelly isn't going to play Brian even and Brian isn't giving up what John wants Kelly to get, how about Vette and JB Cases make a game? Now THAT, I would like to see. I have no idea how either one plays, but the negotiations could be excellent viewing. John seems very convincing in his arguments and Vette doesn't seem like the type to shrink up when confronted. Maybe a TAR match could be set up. I'll be the first to make a wager. Once they come up with what they feel is a fair game, I'll take Vette for $50. Would be fun to sweat.
what about 9ball playing archer i dont think she can get enough weight to win.JB Cases said:
This is going absolutely nowhere. Kelly is a good woman player. She can't beat Brian even gambling. She is capable of winning a match against anyone. She is not in the top 100. There are hundreds of guys that she should not play even. There are even more guys that she can beat. There.
Would make for an interesting match
I'm thinking perhaps as an undercard match for the next TAR match? Or maybe an On The Rail production? I think it would be great viewing for a woman pro take on a male pro. Let 'em negotiate fair weight. Kelly, from all I hear and see, is a super player and person - would love to see her play. Or Sarah Rousey. Or?
The heat that would be generated pre-match and during chat match would be interesting! After the "semi"-sexual avatar threads, it's safe to say there's some hormones floating around that would stir the pot and create some good sweating.
I'm thinking perhaps as an undercard match for the next TAR match? Or maybe an On The Rail production? I think it would be great viewing for a woman pro take on a male pro. Let 'em negotiate fair weight. Kelly, from all I hear and see, is a super player and person - would love to see her play. Or Sarah Rousey. Or?
The heat that would be generated pre-match and during chat match would be interesting! After the "semi"-sexual avatar threads, it's safe to say there's some hormones floating around that would stir the pot and create some good sweating.
I have the best idea! Since I can't play a lick, why doesn't he come down to my poolroom(Wallys,Lakeland FL) and me and him can play and see how bad I play! I don't mind gambling, even donating, but I'm tired of his mouth!
Jeremy
Jeremy
John Barton speaks with his heart but bets with his brain.
I also am in the camp that likes Karen Corr's chances to beat more men than she loses to at a venue like the DCC 9ball. She would have to get a bad draw to lose that bet imo. Just the fact that she is a women gives her a ball or two advantage over many men, who pucker up at the thought they will get beat by a woman.
I also am in the camp that likes Karen Corr's chances to beat more men than she loses to at a venue like the DCC 9ball. She would have to get a bad draw to lose that bet imo. Just the fact that she is a women gives her a ball or two advantage over many men, who pucker up at the thought they will get beat by a woman.