If your cues have EVER been damaged because of the case you use, post your story here

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Picture of my case, how should I test its toughness watchez?

Go back to Walmart where you bought it - stand in the men's department and attempt to heave this case boomer rang style to the electronics section. If you hit a flat screen even better. Then judge the amount of damage done to your cues.

If there is no damage, go to every Walmart within 100 miles of you and buyout all of these cases. Then come on AZ, tell your story which everyone will believe and sell them for $499.95.
 
I might just be in a weird place in my head. But this thread
has had me on the floor laughing, I think maybe because I really
don't know when some of you are telling whoppers and some
the truth. But some of the stories are just priceless.

But from the bottom of my heart, thank you for making me laugh.

hugs
mrs.g

This is AZ - I don't want your thanks, I just want your rep.
 
my story

Once while tanning, I dropped my cue off the roof of my house and I think the shaft got nicked. I would have to say that the inadequate protection provided by the interior was more responsible for the nick than the 20 foot drop.
 
Instroke

Cases that have damaged my cues...

Instroke leather tooled 3x4 case, the shaft tubes after a period of time leave deep ring impressions on all my shafts.


So far, it appears that most of the damage seems to happen to the shafts only.

I have a GTF 1x2 case. Its nice and everything fits snug. If you tilt the case upside down while loaded with a cue, the cue still moves a little. It just don't come out completely. You'll still need the lid to protect the cues fully.

And I was expecting you to say thermo nuclear anti-theft defense system made in China for pool cues cases!


I had a similar issue with an Instroke case leaving a dark stain-like finish on shafts and dulling the finish on my cues.
I have a couple of really nice cues that need to be refinished because of that case.
Everytime Ernie Martinez would look at one of my cues the first thing he would ask me is what type of case I use.

Come on John, let's hear it
 
Once while tanning, I dropped my cue off the roof of my house and I think the shaft got nicked. I would have to say that the inadequate protection provided by the interior was more responsible for the nick than the 20 foot drop.

You must be a Cubs fan. They think the roof is a spot to spend their entire life. Sorry, there is no excuse valid for you.
 
Once while tanning, I dropped my cue off the roof of my house and I think the shaft got nicked. I would have to say that the inadequate protection provided by the interior was more responsible for the nick than the 20 foot drop.

I don't buy it. Who puts a tanning bed on the roof? :rolleyes:
 
you got me

You must be a Cubs fan. They think the roof is a spot to spend their entire life. Sorry, there is no excuse valid for you.

I am a Cubs fan and had a beer thrown at me in St. Louis after rooting for the Cubs at a bar about 1 mile from Jim Buss' shop.

I'm gonna quit typing so I can go sit on the roof with my cues and a twelve pack.

If you believe my last post in this thread, I have some interesting prop bets for you sir. Have a good day.
 
lets be clear

I was just poking fun at a previous thread that was knocking Justis cases. Jacks cases may not have been meant to be dropped but he is an amazing artist and a nice guy.

I have never tanned, been on my roof or dropped a case.
 
I had a similar issue with an Instroke case leaving a dark stain-like finish on shafts and dulling the finish on my cues.
I have a couple of really nice cues that need to be refinished because of that case.
Everytime Ernie Martinez would look at one of my cues the first thing he would ask me is what type of case I use.

Come on John, let's hear it

Let's hear what? You are reporting something that no one else has ever told me in the entire 20 years I have been making cases.

Not to say it didn't happen but I will tell you the same thing I have ever said to anyone who reported a problem. Send me the case and I will try and duplicate the problem. Only when I get to investigate the case can I see the problem.

I once had a guy tell me his cues had goo on them. Turns out someone spilled a coke in his case and the suger turned to goop. I didn't pay for cues to be cleaned but I did replace the interior and the problem was solved.

When did Ernie tell you this? I lived in Colorado for four years and had 1000 Instroke cases in a warehouse there. I have been active on the forums since 1997. The toll free phone number for Instroke has been the same since 1999. The Instroke website has been online continuously since around 1996ish.

So it's not like I was hard to find to report this problem. Again not saying it didn't happen, I am sure it did. But without the opportunity to recreate the problem there isn't much that I could be expected to do is there?

A lot of people made their way to my business in Greeley, Co. and I took care of their Instroke problems. So all I am saying is that if we were there at the same time then there were any number of people who could have put you in touch with me at any time. It wasn't like I was not around since I played at Paradise twice a month, made regular trips to Table Steaks and other Denver rooms, gambled up and down the front range....

So I don't know what you want to hear.

There isn't normally anything in an Instroke case that can possibly stain a cue. It's soft black fabric over foam rubber and plastic. There would have to be some sort of catalyst to cause the dye in the fabric to affect the cue. Maybe it was the finish type, I can't know unless I can check it out.

If you had come to me then I am sure we could figured it out.

So I guess the answer is that you are telling the truth, your cues were damaged somehow in the case and neither you nor I know why.

All the more reason for case makers to do all the can to make sure that they build cases with very little possibility that such things can occur. And with only one report, yours, in 20 years I'd say that the possibility is low indeed of such a thing happening. Which means that there is also a possibility that some outside influence was all or partly to blame.
 
John - He also stated that the Instroke case dulled the finish on his cues. You failed to respond to that. Please take another half page to give us your reply on that issue.

Also, note that he used plural - cues. So this happened more than once. I put my hand on a hot stove as a kid - however, I did it only ONCE.
 
Instroke

Let's hear what? You are reporting something that no one else has ever told me in the entire 20 years I have been making cases.

Not to say it didn't happen but I will tell you the same thing I have ever said to anyone who reported a problem. Send me the case and I will try and duplicate the problem. Only when I get to investigate the case can I see the problem.

I once had a guy tell me his cues had goo on them. Turns out someone spilled a coke in his case and the suger turned to goop. I didn't pay for cues to be cleaned but I did replace the interior and the problem was solved.

When did Ernie tell you this? I lived in Colorado for four years and had 1000 Instroke cases in a warehouse there. I have been active on the forums since 1997. The toll free phone number for Instroke has been the same since 1999. The Instroke website has been online continuously since around 1996ish.

So it's not like I was hard to find to report this problem. Again not saying it didn't happen, I am sure it did. But without the opportunity to recreate the problem there isn't much that I could be expected to do is there?

A lot of people made their way to my business in Greeley, Co. and I took care of their Instroke problems. So all I am saying is that if we were there at the same time then there were any number of people who could have put you in touch with me at any time. It wasn't like I was not around since I played at Paradise twice a month, made regular trips to Table Steaks and other Denver rooms, gambled up and down the front range....

So I don't know what you want to hear.

There isn't normally anything in an Instroke case that can possibly stain a cue. It's soft black fabric over foam rubber and plastic. There would have to be some sort of catalyst to cause the dye in the fabric to affect the cue. Maybe it was the finish type, I can't know unless I can check it out.

If you had come to me then I am sure we could figured it out.

So I guess the answer is that you are telling the truth, your cues were damaged somehow in the case and neither you nor I know why.

All the more reason for case makers to do all the can to make sure that they build cases with very little possibility that such things can occur. And with only one report, yours, in 20 years I'd say that the possibility is low indeed of such a thing happening. Which means that there is also a possibility that some outside influence was all or partly to blame.

I've heard that you did have an "interior" (new term for me) with some of the old Instroke cases that caused this, so when you come to Denver we can go see Ernie together.
I thought it was Ernie and Terrry's finish until he said it so many times I got rid of the case.
It happened to old cues and new cues, and the last thing I considered was the "interior" causing the problem.
I would never complain to anyone, I just deal with things my own way.
If it cost's me a few bucks, oh well.
What I don't do is take a case with 8K to 10K worth of cues and lift it upside down with the lid un-snapped.
 
I would not take my pool case on a boat.
I would not take my pool case with a goat.
I would not take my pool case up in a tree.
You let me be!

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I was previously to embarresd to tell this story..

One day while trying out my new JB case, I found that the undersized interior was making it difficult to get my cue in. So I grabbed my Justis case and used it to pound the cue down into the new case. I was really hammering away at it! when I finally caught my breath, I noticed I had smashed the top of my JB case into a folded over mess trapping my cue inside :eek: I immediately lay the Justis case onto the sidewalk to cushion the blow, as I started swinging the Jb case to get my cue back out. It finally came loose after I accidentally dropped it from five feet onto the Justis case. In the end the cue suffered some U.V. ray damage as it was quite sunny out that day. What a nightmare!
 
One day while trying out my new JB case, I found that the undersized interior was making it difficult to get my cue in. So I grabbed my Justis case and used it to pound the cue down into the new case. I was really hammering away at it! when I finally caught my breath, I noticed I had smashed the top of my JB case into a folded over mess trapping my cue inside :eek: I immediately lay the Justis case onto the sidewalk to cushion the blow, as I started swinging the Jb case to get my cue back out. It finally came loose after I accidentally dropped it from five feet onto the Justis case. In the end the cue suffered some U.V. ray damage as it was quite sunny out that day. What a nightmare!

I would be embarassed as well if that were me.....if you would just insert the cue the correct way, there is no need to for all that hammering:grin:
 
Wasn't the Instroke a John Barton design? Did Instroke pay for the repair to your shafts due to these impressions?

I believe so. The case is quite well made overall, I liked the tooling and the over build. I don't really use the case other than storage now. Plus, I'm not the original owner, so I never bothered to ask. Shafts get beat up, I chalked it up to a "whatever" and don't insert shafts until they are snug.


Your friend with the Chinese dye case should immediately go to the hospital and be checked for the level of lead in his body. The Chinese have this strong desire to take over our country by adding lead to every imported product, causing us harm.

Yes, my friend wasn't happy when he found out what happened. He figured that a case that looked high quality enough that it would protect just as well as it looked. He hasn't shown me the TAD yet, but we'll see. He obviously doesn't use that case no more. I'll ask him what brand it was.
 
I've heard that you did have an "interior" (new term for me) with some of the old Instroke cases that caused this, so when you come to Denver we can go see Ernie together.
I thought it was Ernie and Terrry's finish until he said it so many times I got rid of the case.
It happened to old cues and new cues, and the last thing I considered was the "interior" causing the problem.
I would never complain to anyone, I just deal with things my own way.
If it cost's me a few bucks, oh well.
What I don't do is take a case with 8K to 10K worth of cues and lift it upside down with the lid un-snapped.

I didn't hear that about the interior. On tube cases there are two parts, the exterior covering and the interior cavities. I ran Instroke out of Colorado for 3 years and owned a few Martinez cues and never had the same problem you did. So I consider it to be something of an anomaly.

Anything can happen and if it was happening with all of your cues then somethign was obviously wrong with the case and not the cues.

As I stated previously I did have a man come to me with the complain that the "case" was making his cues sticky.

Upon inspection, which included dissection, we found that some sugary liquid had been spilled into the case and had coagulated inside the cavity.

The man agreed that this was not our fault, he accepted the free new interior with profuse apologies and thanks and it was done.

Again, sorry you had a problem, if you had come to me then it would have been resolved through inspection and if our case was found to be causing this damage with no external influence, which we should have been able to duplicate, then I would certainly have paid for your cues to be repaired or even replaced.

But, you didn't come to me even though I was probably just down the road from you when this happened. So your story doesn't really need a reply. If you had then your story would have had the ending that we worked it out and figured out the problem and everyone walked away happy.

I will never say that it's impossible for a cue to be damaged in our cases. There are too many variables. But I do my best to make sure that there is very little chance of anything happening.

And with over ten thousand cases on the market bearing my designs and only a very few such stories like yours I feel that such stories are the exception rather than the rule.

As for your last comment,

No one does this on purpose. But things happen and that's why I build the cases the way I build them. It's really simple, you have all the choice you could ever want in cue cases. I am certain that you bought your Instroke case because you knew other people that were happy with them and were using them without problems. The same goes for any case maker. The point is that if you choose mine you get a certain protection level that goes beyond what some others choose to provide. You can adjust your behavior according to the case you buy.

Like I said, it's like insurance, you don't know the value of it until you need it. So you don't unsnap the case and turn it upside down. Ok, but if that situation ever occurs like maybe some crackhead tries to grab you case and run away and you fight them off and in the process your lid comes unsnapped then you will be grateful that your cues stayed put in the case.

Thanks for the story, I wish you had come to me and then I guarantee it would have had a happier ending. Next time call the company if you think that their product is defective and you will probably get taken care of.

John Barton - former owner and designer of Instroke Cue Cases.

P.S. For those that don't really know me.

I did the road for a decade. Me and my cases went everywhere from local touraments to regional ones to national event to booths at the World Championships. I also took a tool kit along and fixed many cases of ours as well as many cases from other brands during that time. I have always been accessible through these forums and someone always knows how to find me. Hundreds of customers over the years can attest that I took care of their problems and they walked away happy and satisfied. With a few I dogged it and took too long but in the end everyone was covered.
 
John - He also stated that the Instroke case dulled the finish on his cues. You failed to respond to that. Please take another half page to give us your reply on that issue.

Also, note that he used plural - cues. So this happened more than once. I put my hand on a hot stove as a kid - however, I did it only ONCE.

As all people who make things say if we are not given the opportunity to assess and inspect the situation then we can't really comment on it.

I will never say something didn't happen. But if I don't get the change to find out how it happened then I can't really say much about it.

In any event a dull finish is something that happens to all things that are finished for a variety of reasons. Our cases are lined with a fabric that is soft and in our rub tests we don't see any finish change whatsoever. So it's unlikely that our cases did any marking to the finish but again nothing is impossible so until a person can investigate it there is no need to discuss it.

As for the guy whose cue was stained, it was stated that this was in an Instroke knockoff. If true then this is one more reason not to buy knockoffs.

I mean if you are buying a top loading case where you can't know what's inside of it then you should at least buy from a brand you can trust.

Where is Vincintore's website? Who are they? What do they know about case making? Do they give a shit about your cues? No, it is a brand that was made up to slap on Instroke/Justis/Whitten etc... copies.

How do they get those copies so far down in price? By cutting corners wherever they can. So if wouldn't surprise me to find out that there is something in the case that CAN CAUSE stains and which should never be used in a cue case.

But even at that, without inspection it's impossible to ascertain exactly what did happen.
 
One day while trying out my new JB case, I found that the undersized interior was making it difficult to get my cue in. So I grabbed my Justis case and used it to pound the cue down into the new case. I was really hammering away at it! when I finally caught my breath, I noticed I had smashed the top of my JB case into a folded over mess trapping my cue inside :eek: I immediately lay the Justis case onto the sidewalk to cushion the blow, as I started swinging the Jb case to get my cue back out. It finally came loose after I accidentally dropped it from five feet onto the Justis case. In the end the cue suffered some U.V. ray damage as it was quite sunny out that day. What a nightmare!

Tell them the truth as you told it to me. You bought the case and thought it was a suitcase style and you tried everything to lay it in the case and when you couldn't then you became frustrated and started beating on the JB case trying to get it to open up so you could lay you cue in it. As you were beating on the case and getting no where with no damage to the JB case you laid down on the ground cuddling your Adams Balabuska replica and whimpering. A little child walked up and gently took your cue and inserted it the correct way, patted you on the head and said, "it's ok mister, we are all silly sometimes". The she walked away leaving you there in a sobbing mess with the JB case standing guard over your cue and your broken spirit.
 
He figured that a case that looked high quality enough that it would protect just as well as it looked.

The best post in all these threads. Don't buy knockoffs. And whatever you do buy please check it out thoroughly.
 
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